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- monkeyshine0
JazX, does the blow back from the hot air you spew sting your face?
- No one has answered my question about an credible investigative report on Obama. Odd, huh?********
- No one has answered my question about an credible investigative report on Obama. Odd, huh?
- rafalski0
It is scary how thin line there is between rationale grounded support and fanaticism. Criticising Obama these days is a heresy. If you even attempt to discuss him, you're a Bush/McCain loving redneck.
- perpetuating slander. lies, half-truths, campiagn talking points isn't discussion it's the opposite.********
- for instance calling Obama a socialist is absurd and surreal when said by Palin of Alaska who gives each citizen a state handout of + 3k.********
- handout of +3k. This is a fact. Obama as a socialist is meant to be a smear. Do you see the difference?********
- Imagine that rafalski. Actually, you're a racist if you support McCain.********
- Ha, ha, ha Obama is ABSOLUTELY a socialist and you know it.********
- A smear in who's eyes? In liberals' eyes. No doubt.********
- in what way is obama a socialist?DrBombay
- I wouldn't call it socialism, but our gov is getting pretty damn close. Buying stock in US companies is also one of thetommyo
- close to being a piece of socialism. Spreading wealth is getting close to the edge as well. Social health, one more.tommyo
- welfare state.********
- mccain voted for the bailout as well, what is your alternative?DrBombay
- perpetuating slander. lies, half-truths, campiagn talking points isn't discussion it's the opposite.
- ********0
monkeyshine, two years from now, you'll be the one crying about having voted a socialist into office. Voting for BO, just because he's in the opposite party of the unpopular current president doesn't make sesne. Since you called me out, what is it that you think BO will do for you? Have you analyzed him? How many 20 to 25 year old slackers will vote for him because it's "cool?"
- crickets, chirp, chirp, chirp...********
- I hear there's some free Kool-Aid, ACORN's handing out at the local welfare kitchen entrance.********
- You played yourself like eight pages ago.TheBlueOne
- no doubt.DrBombay
- You repeating the GOP propoganda about BO being a socialist doesn't make it so. Sorry.monkeyshine
- you're all in denial. Still no answers from you?********
- and I'll be crying in two years if Mr. PTSS wackadoo gets to drive our country further down the tubes.monkeyshine
- laughable********
- crickets, chirp, chirp, chirp...
- tank020
Whats the problem with being a socialist?
Its because of the socialists here in Belgium
i could go to college, that my hospital bill is low
& that i will have a secure pension.Sure i pay a lot of taxes but the benefits are huge.
When my mother got sick, everything was taken care of by the
government, that last 2 months in hospital would have costed me 32 000 euros but due to the fact that the socialists here worked for a good healtcare system i don't have to pay that, so the downside is that i have to pay high taxes, at least when i get sick, i know
i will be taken care off, when my children need college they will get it and when i don't have a job, at least i will have food, shelter.Fuck you jaz x, you damn retard for polarising this thread with your laim slogans, of wich you don't even know what they mean.
- so, this post is in defense of socialism? typical response. don't agree with the masses here, be called out********
- i'm not calling you, i'm calling your laim slogans out.tank02
- i don't have a problem if you would do this in defense of Mccain, because he would not be a bad choice...but you are just slaggin of Mccaintank02
- ?********
- Uh because our country is founded on Capitalism not Socialism.tommyo
- so, this post is in defense of socialism? typical response. don't agree with the masses here, be called out
- kelpie0
"Ha, ha, ha Obama is ABSOLUTELY a socialist and you know it."
– JazXoh my God, you cretin. Do you have the first clue what a socialist it? how far off the mark you are? how ignorant and deluded and slanderous?
- But wait - he spent years in another country and learned absolutely nothing! And they had monkey people there too...TheBlueOne
- Not according to his comments.********
- http://worldnetdaily…********
- Amazing how all the Euros jump in as soon as you knock socialism and welfare.********
- kelpie0
worth pointing out, you absolute fruit loop, that Obama and the democrats are far to the right economically of any 'socialist' european government, and I have heard nothing out of him or anyone in any strand of this election which suggests they wouldn't run a mile from the association.
Just because someoe wants to up the tax band very slightly for the people in the top 5th percentile of income in your country you say they are a socialist??
God help you pal, seriously - you need some major education.
- yeah and the redistribution of wealth comments?********
- you're a dipshit, alex.DrBombay
- http://worldnetdaily…********
- ok rick, you know it all. let's all bow to you and your opinions.********
- his comments have been way taken out of context...what about Palin's actually doing it in her beloved Alaska?monkeyshine
- Exactly, she has done the same thing for which she accuses Obama wanting to do.DCDesigns
- she might very well be a hypocrite, however, she's not in a position to do any of that nationally.********
- http://www.americant…********
- The funny thing is all Obama wants to do get rid of the tax cuts Bush gave to his rich friendsDCDesigns
- And give a tax break to the middle class who desperately needs one,
who would then spend more money helping the economyDCDesigns - and put money into rich peoples pockets... Everybody wins.DCDesigns
- those were general tax cuts, and Obama wants to stop those. when they end, your taxes go back up, watch********
- http://www.americant…********
- yeah and the redistribution of wealth comments?
- ********0
You're all in denial. You can see it by the Robin Hood style sh*t he says.
so•cial•ism
Pronunciation:
\ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm\
Function:
noun
1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2 a: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work doneNow you look at this plan and You tell me...
- which plan? helath insurance? maybe you should die of a curable disease because you can't afford treatment.DrBombay
- All progressive world , esp Scandinavia, lives by this principle********
- I can afford treatment, because I have insurance and studied hard enough to have a job that pays for it.********
- Yeah, I lived in Finland, it's very socialistic and from what I've heard from Swedes the same. Not thanks!********
- *bares toothless grin... ame-ri-ca
http://www.deucesblo…******** - ironically, Iceland's economy is in total collapse********
- thanks to US********
- http://www.guardian.…********
- Do you think it is your jobs responsibility to offer health insurance?? Is health insurance a right or responsibility?DCDesigns
- ********0
What exactly will Obama do for the economy? What is his records on the economy? How can he promise a tax cut for 95% of the taxpayers while also promises a $3 trillion spending plan? Obama must believe in fuzzy math because the numbers just simply don't add up.
- oh fuzzy math...another GOP talking point. You are a good study.monkeyshine
- oh thanks, my MBA and BSci help.********
- mccain was saying the economy was strong a week before the fucking repo man came, so what is your point?DrBombay
- ukit0
All he is proposing is going back to the tax rates we had 8 years ago...was Reagan a socialist? Was Clinton? It might be more liberal than you like, but it's hardly socialist.
- it's socialistic thinking in essence, I'm not looking at those guys. even if it's a continuation of those.********
- Was Clinton a socialist you slack-jawed monkey?DrBombay
- it's socialistic thinking in essence, I'm not looking at those guys. even if it's a continuation of those.
- TheBlueOne0
Seriously JazX, please, enlighten us - what's a "socialist"?
Because the only thing I've seen and heard is Obama changing the Tax rate back to what it was under Reagan. Is this what makes him "socialist"? Seriosuly. If so, then please tell me why Reagan wasn't a socialist?
And you know, like in the real world, you're going to have to justify it by more than "well he said 'spread the wealth' on my teevee...'"
You know, the Federal governments ability to tax is in the fucking Constitution - a little thing called the 16th Amendment. So is our Constitution "socialist" as well?
- 1. Taxing those making over 250K, which might include me. 2. Redistributing money to non-tax payers********
- //Hey! when do we in the lower 48 get our oil commonwealth checks for 1200 bucks from Alaska?Mimio
- "which might include me". Yes, you and Joe the Plumber. As soon as McCain carries you to the American Dream.monkeyshine
- I don't give a f*ck about what Palin does. I'm not talking about the GOP VP candidate.********
- http://www.americant…********
- he's passively allowing tax rates to go up for 100% of Americans who actually pay Federal income taxes.********
- You're arguments are shallow. Like you.TheBlueOne
- Oh good retort.********
- 1. Taxing those making over 250K, which might include me. 2. Redistributing money to non-tax payers
- ********0
Senator Obama's Four Tax Increases for People Earning Under $250k
http://www.americanthinker.com/2…- Any comments? This is the second time I've posted this.********
- That's a great article JazX. I'd love to see some corroboration but it all makes sense.tommyo
- it's numbers. it's not rhetoric.********
- Any comments? This is the second time I've posted this.
- ukit0
“I don’t think the governor’s tax cut is too big—it’s just misplaced. Sixty percent of the benefits from his tax cuts go to the wealthiest 10% of Americans—and that’s not the kind of tax relief that Americans need. ... Gov. Bush wants to spend the entire surplus on tax cuts. I don’t believe the wealthiest 10% of Americans should get 60% of the tax breaks. I think the lowest 10% should get the breaks. ...
“I’m not giving tax cuts for the rich.”
- McCain in 2000ukit
- http://www.americant…********
- This is when McCain made a marginal amount of sense.Mimio
- actually, I wanted McCain to run for the R's in 2000, not Bush the 2nd.********
- BonSeff0
our taxes should have been raised 7 years ago. so we can pay for this ridiculous war in iraq.. but instead we borrow from the chinese- as to not burden the freedom loving nascar watching public at large.
- ********0
What is dis-spiriting is paying attention to the bottom-of-the-barrel smears. Why should McBush/Palin campaign effluvium be given any credence whatsoever? Just because they say something it becomes newsworthy. We decry that but allow and respond to the same from JazX. He is within his rights as a member of QBN to say what he likes but in responding to him seriously I have only validated his pull with my push back. So no more. Post all you like Mr JazX but I won't bother trimming yr sails in the interests of the truth and accuracy. You are an example of, what the Jesuits called "invincible ignorance."
- Oh thanks for letting me have an opinion and make an educated choice based upon my OWN situation.********
- Oh thanks for letting me have an opinion and make an educated choice based upon my OWN situation.
- tommyo0
I think the Socialist thing is a little far reaching. However, some of the goals that Obama is after are inching closer to Socialism. The fact that he said 'spread the wealth around' instead of previous justification for taxing the rich - 'they can afford it, so they should pay more' is what is scaring people. While both sentiments equal the same thing, the intent is transparently different. While I think our gov should start learning to make due with less, actually saying you want to spread the wealth is something new as far as I know. Then you add the fact that he'd love to make health care a single-payer system, i.e. gov paid for, is a little scary to some as well. I know that other countries have it, they might love it, I'm convinced that it would be a horrible idea to let our gov pay for our health care. They're wasteful as hell and have 2 social programs already in Social Security and Medicare that are about to cost us tax payers a TON of money. As it is when our gov needs money, they simply print it up through the Fed Reserve, which is what causes inflation. That's the hidden tax on all people that fall below the banks who lend. Anyways back on point - I wouldn't call Obama a Socialist per se, but I think his goals, plus the direction our current administration took on this phoney baloney bailout where our gov now owns stock in major US companies is bringing us closer and closer. Honestly, I can see why some people are getting a bit scared.
- Look, he's going to kill the Bush tax cuts, so we ALL are going to end up paying more and then his redistr. comments********
- the tax rates are going to go back to the 2000 level.********
- the tax rates are going to go back to the year 2000 level.********
- oops********
- what pays for the war? what about the bailout? wake up you simple-minded dipshit.DrBombay
- Care to comment on something I actually wrote? Let's stop the name calling, I thought we were past that stage in our relationship.tommyo
- relationship.tommyo
- Look, he's going to kill the Bush tax cuts, so we ALL are going to end up paying more and then his redistr. comments
- ukit0
Didn't Bill Clinton pursue exactly the same policies re: taxes and health care almost 20 years ago? In fact Obama's health care plan is more right wing than Clinton's was in 1992. Point taken that you disagree with those elements of his policy, but if he is socialist, then the entire Democrat party is socialist.
- I honestly don't remember Clintons health policies going into the election.tommyo
- I was smoking weed in 1990. I don't remember anything from those years. I met Clinton in Botswana though. ok guy.********
- Jaline0
http://www.themorningnews.org/ar…
"Getting Over Salin Palin"
- ********0
However, when challenged to explain how Obama could eliminate the cap AND not raise taxes on Americans earning under $250,000, Senator Obama suggested on his website that he "might" create a "donut" -- an exemption from this payroll tax for wages between $94,700 and $250,000. But that donut would mean he couldn't raise anywhere near that $1 trillion dollars for Social Security. When this was pointed out, Senator Obama's "donut plan" was quietly removed from his website.
http://www.barackobama.com/issue…404
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JazX are u a religious fella
- Not exactly. I respect the Christian church in their attempt to help the poor through charity and deeds.********
- However, in no way am I a fanatic. Just to ease your curiosity.********
- deeds such as child abuse and the collection of riches?lowimpakt
- I love the blanketed labels. If you're not for Obama then you're a redneck, Republican, gun totin, religious freak!tommyo
- 'Either you're with us or against us!!' - George W Bush. Some of you guys actually practice those words.tommyo
- Bush was in a different context. He was planning a war and so was threatening anyone who didn't join.lowimpakt
- Some of you act like this is a war ... and you threaten anyone who doesn't believe what you do. Pretty damn close imo.tommyo
- Not exactly. I respect the Christian church in their attempt to help the poor through charity and deeds.
- ukit0
Well believe me Clinton's policy in 1992 was more left wing than Obama's. So was Hillary's, in the Dem primary just this year. In fact, she criticized Obama's plan as too right wing. So, again, if Obama is socialist, the entire Democratic party is. There is nothing special or scary about Obama's degree of liberalism compared to previous presidents or the mainstream left.