Margaret Thatcher!
- Started
- Last post
- 50 Responses
- cosmicEntity0
Teachers are another lot.....average wage 34k outside London - 42k in London.
Over heard a conversation on the train between 2 teachers moaning that their God given deserved right to a pension has gone from earning 3 quarters your final salary to 3 quarters of your over all salary.
How hard can life be for these poor guys. I wouldn't mind any kind of pension form my employer.
- moth0
I hate that people in this country no longer see the reality of their surroundings. Food Prices, Energy prices, all of them "soaring". NHS delays and poor "care". This country and this planet is one closed system and this shit ain't gonna get better and it's not going to get any easier. DEMANDING that it does is simply a distraction from the inevitability of having to do something about it for yourself.
- stem0
I do believe we live in a society and as a humans we should have certain basic rights and access to health care. Being homeless is something I couldn't even contemplate, or wish my worst enemy. I'm not saying that anyone deserves to live like this but the very thought of homelessness sets my moral compass. This thought makes me get up in a morning, treat others as I wish to be treated, don't take on debt I can't afford to pay back, don't do too many hard drugs, don't sleep around behind my wifes back etc. etc.
That may sound boring to some, but I know where my bread's buttered.
- what if you were an abused teenager and kicked out? where does that lie on your moral compass?vespa
- rafalski0
You work for a company and feel underpaid. You want a raise, so you go to your boss to negotiate. That's pretty normal for me, that's what I do. I get a rise or not and I decide to stay or go, whatever.
I might be let go as well, that's a risk you're taking when you ask for a raise. It it's their company, not yours. If they fire you for asking for a justified raise, they're not worth working for anyway.In order to have more leverage, to increase your negotiating power you can get your colleagues to ask for a raise collectively. That's an union. It's still ok as well (but I'd suspect some of the group deserve a raise more, some do less). The employer might give you all a raise, or not. He can fire you all and replace with a new crew, but hiring new untrained staff is always an additional cost for him. That gives you the extra leverage. It's ok, it's still grown-ups negotiating.
It might happen, you and your colleagues, unsatisfied with the wages, come to work and sabotage the business by occupying and not working. You're causing it a loss instead of going looking for a better job. You call it a "strike". Well that's not ok, the employer should fire the fuck all of you and deduct the loss from your final wages.
Well, not in the EU. In the EU the unions have the right to terrorize the employer. They can stop working and demand to be paid. That's a plain robbery to me.
The long term result of unions getting this unjust power on society is not only business being less efficient and economy going down. It leads to shrinking job market. No wonder unionized countries have the biggest unemployment. In becomes the employer's market and wages are lower.
Did you know that Reagan boosted employment by relaxing firing regulations? When it's easy to fire, you're not afraid to hire. The result is lots of jobs. Lots of jobs means employers competing for the employee and wages risng. It's employee's market then.
- stem0
Like I said vespa, I do believe we live in a society and as a humans we should have certain basic rights and access to health care etc.
This is obviously a crime and would need to be dealt with as such. Due to the teenager being classed as a child should have access to physical care, emotional support and obviously a roof over their head.
Just because I oppose scroungers and I am willing to work for an honest days pay doesn't mean I condone child abuse...
- stem0
At the end of the day it's tax payers who provide the cash to enable the care of people in this situation.
- vespa0
well this is my point stem – of course benefits were not created with scroungers in mind, they were created for people in difficult circumstances.
so you aren't against the idea of benefits and health care, it's more that the assessment system needs to be improved.
- Khurram0
I was raised in a single parent household most of my life, by a barely-literate mother. I was on free-dinners at school and all my education up until university was fully paid for. I've been on the dole twice and housing benefits once.
and today i stand before you... a GIANT amongst men...
- Can my Dad have his Tax money back now then?cosmicEntity
- already paid in triplicate... douche bag.Khurram
- Just drop it off outside our house thankscosmicEntity
- drop it in you mom.. in the ASS, chode.Khurram
- Fariska0
It's amazing seeing you guys depicting the world in black and white
without caring about the (at least 256) shades of gray in between.And believe me, even if unionized, UK is way better and functional than many other countries. Mine included.
- moth0
Yous Posh init Khurram.
- stem0
Yeah vespa, the system of assessment is messed up. When people who 'don't deserve it' receive benefits causes a lot of resentment, when the system that is intended to create fairness itself seems unfair?
It's not an easy one to sort out is it?
- PIITB0
Margaret Thatcher Naked On A Cold Day!
- mikotondria30
The ultimate reason for benefits, and the one that I am happiest with is that the long-term unemployABLE are best managed by giving them just enough to get by.
Imagine if these retards had to go out and GET a job, that would crowd out the bottom end of the job market and make it more difficult for honest people who perhaps don't have a great education or prospects to actually have more of an opportunity to take responsibility for themselves and enjoy some relative freedom.
People stuck on benefits are captives of the state which, in paying for them to sit on their asses, demands all kinds of intrusion and complicity, and rightly so.
Were it not for the small amount of subsistence that the government (you and I) pay these people, they would maraude around, robbing and stealing from necessity - being unemployable.
I am happy to pay some of my hard-earned to keep these long-term trash in their houses watching their tv's - it means they're not serving me food, or on the check out of my local store, or driving my bus.
- moth0
Crikey miko.
- mikotondria30
It's true - it's a small price to pay - where would these people get their daily bread otherwise ? There just arent the number of low-level jobs available and there never will be.
Please understand this is seperate from the concept of people who have come upon genuine temporary hardship, or who are unemployable through disability - that is a proper and just use of govt. revenue, but the unwashed masses who just cannot be employed because they are idiots need to be manipulated out of sight.
- moth0
Fair enough.
It's just I thought I was the hard line in here....!
- mikotondria30
Yeh I can understand how it sounds harsh, but it is the truth. Understanding it doesnt in any way mean Im not compassionate for everyone or believe that everyone deserves equal opportunity for education, or in business, or to develop ideas and have access to capital and security, but honestly I've been around a few places and up and down the social spectrum, and we're fooling ourselves if we think that everyone is capable of holding down and meaningful job and can be around everyone else without ruining their day.
- rafalski0
A major problem with benefits is they're so damn expensive and a large part of goes down the drain as bureaucracy. Politicians don't care, because by giving money to the unemployed they get an army of devoted voters and that's all they care about. It's not like they're spending their own money, is it? They give away the taxpayers' money (yours) and funny enough, they come out as 'generous' in the end.