Margaret Thatcher!
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- PIITB0
Margaret Thatcher Naked On A Cold Day!
- rafalski0
Actually you caused it yourself, by voting for Boris.
It is called the moth effect, as opposed to the butterfly effect
- vespa0
- This was a simple game of chase me...thats allcosmicEntity
- mikotondria30
The ultimate reason for benefits, and the one that I am happiest with is that the long-term unemployABLE are best managed by giving them just enough to get by.
Imagine if these retards had to go out and GET a job, that would crowd out the bottom end of the job market and make it more difficult for honest people who perhaps don't have a great education or prospects to actually have more of an opportunity to take responsibility for themselves and enjoy some relative freedom.
People stuck on benefits are captives of the state which, in paying for them to sit on their asses, demands all kinds of intrusion and complicity, and rightly so.
Were it not for the small amount of subsistence that the government (you and I) pay these people, they would maraude around, robbing and stealing from necessity - being unemployable.
I am happy to pay some of my hard-earned to keep these long-term trash in their houses watching their tv's - it means they're not serving me food, or on the check out of my local store, or driving my bus.
- moth0
Crikey miko.
- stem0
The Thatcher quote is a bit of a double-edged for me.
On the one hand I agree with it and represents a lot of the values my parents gave me. i.e. If you want good things in life, you have to work for them.
On the other hand, you can say, if we are all individuals, masters of our own destiny. And there is no such thing as society, then what do we need governments for?
I vote with my wallet these days anyway...
- mikotondria30
It's true - it's a small price to pay - where would these people get their daily bread otherwise ? There just arent the number of low-level jobs available and there never will be.
Please understand this is seperate from the concept of people who have come upon genuine temporary hardship, or who are unemployable through disability - that is a proper and just use of govt. revenue, but the unwashed masses who just cannot be employed because they are idiots need to be manipulated out of sight.
- moth0
Fair enough.
It's just I thought I was the hard line in here....!
- mikotondria30
Yeh I can understand how it sounds harsh, but it is the truth. Understanding it doesnt in any way mean Im not compassionate for everyone or believe that everyone deserves equal opportunity for education, or in business, or to develop ideas and have access to capital and security, but honestly I've been around a few places and up and down the social spectrum, and we're fooling ourselves if we think that everyone is capable of holding down and meaningful job and can be around everyone else without ruining their day.
- rafalski0
A major problem with benefits is they're so damn expensive and a large part of goes down the drain as bureaucracy. Politicians don't care, because by giving money to the unemployed they get an army of devoted voters and that's all they care about. It's not like they're spending their own money, is it? They give away the taxpayers' money (yours) and funny enough, they come out as 'generous' in the end.
- moth0
No OnesandZeros.
I'm deadly serious.
I manage to look after myself.
Tribes in Brazil manage to look after themselves.
Coal miners, Waitresses, and the Welsh, can not, and they demand fucking tips and concessions with the help of unions.
- so it's all ok if you're ok yes? what about old people with no family left? what about young people who have been abused or kicked out of their homes?vespa
- or kicked out of their homes? it's hard to get a job if you have no home.vespa
- Well Moth, I'm sorry you feel that way. I guess we're all entitled to our opinions.OnesandZeros
- BUT! I would think twice about bring up tribes in Brazil, because I'm assuming you know absolutely nothing about them.OnesandZeros
- what about entire stratches of the country not so fortunate to be situated in the monied south which were fucked for generations...kelpie
- generations???????? learn a little about the worlkdf beyond your doorstep and stop thinking its cool to be a curmudgeonly tory bastard.kelpie
- tory bastard. and that fucking polish capaitist cheerleader on here can go and get fucked, at least moth's funny.kelpie
- cosmicEntity0
lol
- cosmicEntity0
Yeah but Tits or Ass?
- uncle_helv0
What little I care to understand about British politics until it started affecting me (10 years ago) was that Thatcher developed a culture obsessed with profit, the conservatives privatised pretty much everything they could get away with, which lead to a decline that damaged most industries, most notably Public transport, which is pretty much why we have to put up with the disgusting mangled joke of a service we all are use to today!
I mean all governments are shit, Labour doesn't stand for what it use to, the reason being is that the people it stood up for and built it's foundations on no longer exist, I mean what do we manufacture any more? what is our industry? we are a nation of consultants, business heads in London on £50,000+ drive this country today, and that is why the every day man/woman gets taxed so much and so often and the rich still seem top get the tax breaks!
- there was a little red book that came out with the economist recently. i was mildly surprised to learn that the major export of the uk is "media and culture."paraselene
- of the uk is 'media and culture'.paraselene
- Yep consultants are the people the government must keep happy in this country!!uncle_helv
- Jaline0
miko versus moth, SHOWDOWN
- cosmicEntity0
I blame the government......who are Labour?
- moth0
I've never liked equestrian.