The bible..
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- TheBlueOne0
Jesus totally surfed.
*waxes lord-boards
gramme
(Oct 16 07, 10:42)Yeah..but..um...er...
He wouldn't need a board, would he?
- ********0
Flagellum - And I cant believe you're still using that name as a pennant for your ridiculous 'belief' in the disproven non-science of intelligent design, if the bible is entirely The Word Of God (and I capitalize to mock you), why is it so ...er...crap ?
Nothing about quantum physics, mathematics, medicine that is of any use to us. One doesnt have to anthropomorphize very much to realise that any infinately wise, benevolent and powerful entity had written this book with the knowledge that it would be taken as gospel, would have included something more profound and useful.
Its dangerous, stupid, stupifying crap, and if you try and teach my kids this rubbish, you'll be prying things out of my cold dead hands, you get me ?
- TheBlueOne0
Look! More trickery from the God-Dude:
http://afp.google.com/article/AL…
Man, he's planting these things everywhere trying to trip us up...crafty Dude that God...
- Point50
fuck,
can't believe I missed 400
- mrdobolina0
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- gramme0
Its dangerous, stupid, stupifying crap, and if you try and teach my kids this rubbish, you'll be prying things out of my cold dead hands, you get me ?
mikotondria2
(Oct 16 07, 11:04)How exactly is it dangerous? Any ideas on why it's stupid? I know plenty of non-Christians who find parts of it eloquent and even moving.
What exactly do you consider to be worthy reading, just out of curiosity?
- flagellum0
The science of studying ancient literature and its accuracy of transmission to is called historicity. It's all about eye-witness accounts and oral tradition which is ultimately written down. The eye-witness accounts of the resurrection were recorded by secular historians at the time too (see: Josephus). Manuscripts which contain eyewitness accounts are the best historical evidence there is. If you say otherwise, you need to get familiar with Textual Criticism. Even all newspaper reporters are taught to interview eyewitnesses in order to corroborate their stories. We don't consider them as unnecessary in these instances, but important support.
And it was not only friendly eyewitnesses; there were others less well disposed who were also conversant with the main facts of the ministry and death of Jesus. The disciples could not afford to risk inaccuracies (not to speak of willful manipulation of the facts), which would at once be exposed by those who would be only too glad to do so.
The life and resurrection of Christ stands out as the most well documented and supported events of ancient times. No other facet of ancient history has as many manuscripts, from so many different areas, in such a short time from the instance of occurrence. There is no good historical reason to deny the events took place.
- gramme0
well said flag. I kinda suck at the whole historical record explanation, so thanks :)
- Llyod0
the bible says that I shouldn't lie down with an animal. I call bullshit.
- flagellum0
mikotondria: Methinks you assume too much from my screen-name.
Calling the Bible "crap" is a bit sophomoric and really doesn't leave much to comment on.
Who is trying to teach your kids the Bible?
- czawada0
gramme/flagellum, honest question for either of you.
When (or if you already have) have children will they just automatically become christians, or will they be given the chance to decide on their own which faith to follow or whether they want to follow any faith at all.
- ********0
no, I dont assume too much from your screen-name, ID proponents, such as yourself alude to the flagellum as being an example of irreducible complexity, a concept which has been disproven, particularly with regard to the flagellum - don't be so disingenuous, you've argued about the flagellum with regard to ID many times on this forum..
I was referring to the whole of christianity as crap, rather then the bible specifically.
There are millions of people involved in trying to teach my kids the above 'crap', trying to get ID space in the national schools curricula, and being defeated in the courts as being unconstitutional.
You still havent answered my question about the relative uselessness and unspecificity of this 'word of god', which entirely bears all the hallmarks of being written by human hands, and none of which could not have been written from someone of that historical period.
Why, why is it so useless ?
Sure there are passages on morality and some attempts to answer existential questions but there is nothing in it that in any way is not entirely human.
- flagellum0
mikotondria: Evidently you didn't get the memo that irreducible complexity has never been "disproven". It has only been met with hand-waving just so stories which point to homology of protein parts in other systems. And things only seem to be getting worse for Darwinists. I guess you don't stay on top of these things, however.
And what does ID have to do with the Bible? Are you still conflating ID with Creationism? Goodness, you do need to get up to speed, don't you. Explain to me:
1. How ID is more than design detection applied to biological systems.
and
2. Who is trying to get it taught in schools.
As for the Bible and reliability, it seems that you need to take an entry level course in Textual Criticism. Start by learning the differnece between inspiration and preservation. Then we could possibly have a productive discussion.
- TheBlueOne0
On a related tangent, not sure how many saw this show on PBS about the making of samurai swords:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/sam…
What I found interesting was the rituals still used by the guys who forge the original steel - using the same shinto rituals that have been used for a millenia. The narrator made a good point, and I'll paraphrase:
"Without benefit of a scientific understanding of how carbon and steel intermix and how to create those chemical formula again and again, these religious rituals insured that the process was followed exactly time and time again to produce the same results - making the production of this steel truly a sacred act."
I would imagine that much of the Biblical religions ar ethe same - especially with the emphasis on law after proscribed law in the Ole Testament. That without the insights brought about by the modern scientific paradigms, sacred rituals were needed to reproduce time and time again similar results for health, manufacturing, agriculture, etc.
The Bible is a manual for successful living in a non-technological world.
Deal with it.
- TheBlueOne0
(OK, that's not ALL it is - it is an ethical instruction manual as well...)
- czawada0
"gramme/flagellum, honest question for either of you.
When (or if you already have) have children will they just automatically become christians, or will they be given the chance to decide on their own which faith to follow or whether they want to follow any faith at all.
czawada
(Oct 16 07, 11:31)"
- BonSeff0
still cant explain why men have nipples.
- _eh_0
What happens when this thread hits 666 ?
- ********0
textual criticism? The dewey decimal system for the credulous. Popular in the 19th c.
At the end of the 20th c criticism was mostly about limning the unstability of language and underlying structures. No book would, or could, be accurate at any given time.
see Derrida, et al.