The bible..
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- planet010
As for evidence of the accuracy of the Old Testament/Torah...
- gramme0
I just don't understand how you can make that call for them.
czawada
(Oct 16 07, 12:44)Every parent makes that call on important issues. You don't let your 12 year old kid decide where he wants to go to college. You DO let your 17 year old kid decide where he wants to go to college.
- gramme0
I cannot confer Christian faith on my children. I can lovingly instruct them about God's love for them and how he desires a relationship with them. But ultimately, they must personally receive Jesus Christ into their hearts/lives.
flagellum
(Oct 16 07, 12:53)what he said.
- gramme0
and all that brainwashing from the day they're born until their teen years isn't going to have an affect on what they choose for themselves???
Antonelli
(Oct 16 07, 12:46)Nobody said anything about brainwashing. I would be a bad parent if I didn't present and attempt to live out the gospel for my kids. I want the best for them, not just something halfway good. And like flag said, ultimately it's a decision between them and God.
You can't just leave kids to figure things out for themselves, you might as well toss them into the street and say "fend for yourself, it's unfair for me to tell you to eat."
A lot of people these days are doing a royally shat-up job of raising kids. Many parents just don't care enough. I don't claim to have it all squared away (don't even have kids yet), but I sure as hell ain't looking to the Today show or Oprah for parenting tips.
- Milan0
I cannot confer Christian faith on my children. I can lovingly instruct them about God's love for them and how he desires a relationship with them. But ultimately, they must personally receive Jesus Christ into their hearts/lives.
flagellum
(Oct 16 07, 12:53)Just be careful that someone at the church doesn't desire a relationship with them as well.
- Mimio0
"You see those mountains sweetheart?"
"Yes daddy!"
"Those are only 5,999 years old"
- ********0
Under 6000 years old in our collective conscience, which is led to comprehension by right and wrong (adam and eve).
- gramme0
tourettes?
- Milan0
So if a huge meteor hit the Earth, burned all the bibles and killed everyone except a few kids who are left to survive on their own and repopulate the Earth. These kids have never heard of Jesus and have no way of finding out about him. Does that mean all of humanity thereafter is going to hell because they are not accepting him as their savior? Or is he gonna have to do his thing all over again?
- TheBlueOne0
Another interesting tangent:
- ********0
why would you point to an entry on wikipedia detailing the deadsea scrolls as defending the 'accuracy' of the old testament ?
Somone found some manuscripts from 100bc-100ad, they were copies of stories that had been told to those before, and they had written them down...
None of which does, or ever could, because its unprovable, unlikely, impossible and downright deceptive and childish to do so, prove that any of it is a) accurate, or b) the temporary incursion into the 'real' world, for vague and contradictory literary purposes, of a primal, judgmental 'creator', who for the large part does not decree such inconsistent ramblings any more, and indeed did not at that time.
Does anyone honestly believe that before Moses returned from the mountain with the ten commandments, that people went about unaware that murder, theft etc were wrong ?
Religion as a whole has contributed nothing to this world. No unique morality, no provable, unique or useful insight into the nature of the universe, or of mankinds place in it, indeed whenever it has attempted to do this it has time and time again been proved wrong, whilst all the time urging its 'faithful' to believe arbitrary at best, and downright evil and pernicious at worst, doctrines, by which elites extend their influence power and money.
The world and everyone in it would be by far the better for this folly.
- version30
crap.
500
- flagellum0
I'm not a YEC, but I'm guessing that these Young Earthers weren't "confused by all that other stuff"...
- BonSeff0
ugh, that wasnt directed at you.
yer so sensitive
- Kirshar0
mikotondria2, if you don't believe, then just don't believe, and move on........
I mean, damn man, its almost like you want someone to convince you, or you just want to rant.
- Concrete0
Jesus not only claimed to be God, but He proved His claim through the fulfillment of messianic prophecy, the performance of miracles, and ultimately through His historically verifiable resurrection from the dead.
flagellum
(Oct 16 07, 09:11)Sorry to keep this ridiculous thread trudging...
Flagellum, you preach your beliefs here more than most, and I respect the conviction you have, but if you really knew your Bible, you'd recognise that Jesus has never claimed to be God.
The whole theme of the Bible, including the Old Testament, is based on the lineage of the Jesus and the prophecy of his birth and proprietary sacrifice to undo Adamic sin and sanctify his fathers name.One well known scripture that contradicts your belief; John 3:16
- flagellum0
C'mon, Concrete... this is Christology 101. Start here:
