Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
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I was talking about the division between religion and nationality, the problem with israel is that the two are pretty muddled up.
BaskerviIle
(Sep 25 07, 05:34)Yes - because that is Israel - a country described in a holy book - nothing proves that it ever existed more than Lilliput except the fact that the Lilliputians are amiss too.
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on the other hand Islamism is an invading religion - from 600 AD forward they just invaded and wiped off all the middle east and asiatic original cultures such as Persian and the original Arian culture.
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That could be said of Christians too. Crazy mofo world.
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on the other hand Islamism is an invading religion - from 600 AD forward they just invaded and wiped off all the middle east and asiatic original cultures such as Persian and the original Arian culture.
Witt
(Sep 25 07, 05:51You dont know what the fuck you're talking about.
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no?
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be kind enough to tell me how it was then.
- obsolete0
just one observation...
state and religion should be separated.... thats the way a normal and healthy state/country should work...its like confusing citizens and governments....
- BaskerviIle0
I'm essentially an athiest, I don't like religion or what it does to people, especially when we have such a great understanding of the world now, there's no need to such illogical thinking.
But, I still recognise that people have the right to believe whatever they want and not be persecuted for it (yes, even scientologists sadly). If that means having their own country to get on with things, then as long as no ones toes are tread on then fine. The problem is that israel is now not only treading on toes but purposefully stamping on them with the US's support. It's no longer about who was there first historically, it's should be about what's happening now, no need to go on ropey historical records of who laid claim to where firstanyway, I need to be doing work now, enjoy. Since I mentioned atheism, I'm sure flagellum will be along soon.
- Nairn0
Baskerville, please incant 'mullegalf' 13 times in a mirror to ward off H-s presence.
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basker: i'm not a religious person but i honestly believe religion makes sense to a lot of people and i see no harm in that. It's just a story people like to behave according to. Scientists also like to impose their view of the world, forgetting it doesn't make much more sense than any other belief.
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the bat signal has been turned on once again. Go "World Police"!!!
- Crouwels_Mom0
Witt = another brainwashed religious freak.
Go peddle your beliefs at Faithtoday®.
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Persian culture is alive and thriving. Their language, culture, song, dance, and traditions, predate Islam and are forces of extremt nationalistic pride. Their culture is spread into Central Asia where dialects of Dari-Persian, their food, the customs, their manners of greeting each other are distinctly farsi.
In Iran, parts of Afghanistan and Turkmenistan, Nourouz is the most important yearly festival - it is the Persian New Year, which predates Islam and can be traced back to the time of Darius the Great. The Iranians recognise their civilisation as one of the world's great civlisations along with China and India. Their widespread adoption of Shia Islam was a form of independence from the Arab Sunni variety, with whom they had been at war for millenia. Sort of like the schism with the Catholic Church in Eastern Europe, and the development of Orthodoxy as a continuum of Byzantine culture.
In North Africa, after the unification of warring Arab tribes under the Caliphate, Islam spread and proliferated econommically. Vast tracts of barren lands in Morocco, Algeria and into the Iberian peninsula were settled by nomadic Arabs. These regions were converted to fertile agricultural lands, and Muslim populations grew and flourished. They estbalished trade with sub-sahran Africa, and Islam spread into the West and East coasts of Africa.
Arab and Muslim traders were prolific, and the earliest proseltysers of Islam. Following the Monsoon winds, these traders established outposts along the costs of India and into the far east. These traders were responsible for the conversion into Islam in the regions of West India, Bangladesh, Indonesia and Malaysia. Today these regions account for 500 million Muslims - more than half the total number of Muslims in the world.
Through trade along the Silk Routes, Arab, Persian, and Indian traders were able to spread Islam into the lands of the Mongols. Genghis Khan kept Muslim advisers in his courts, who vied for influence with Buddhist and Nestorian Christian acolytes, amongst others. After Genghis' death, his empire was split between his various successsors who at various points professed different faiths, along with Islam, and their own traditional mongolian shamanistic cult of the sky (Tengri). Over the years Islam was cemented as the religion of the court in some central Asian empires, perticularly in the West (eg, Sufism of the Golden Horde in the lower Caucus). Timur Khan (Tamarlane) was perhaps the most succesful Mongolian ruler since Genghis, and was also the most self-identified as a Muslim. His allegiance shifted variously between Sunnism, Shiaism, as-well as the Buddhism of his forefathers. Tamarlane, was also the scurge of the Muslim world as he went around genocidally sacking Iranian cities, the Islamic Sultanate of Delhi, Samarkand, and the lower Caucauses etc.
In the 15th Century, the Mughals, the direct descendents of the Mongols, descended on India. Their experience as guardians of the Silk Roads had exposed them to all the different religions of the great Asiatic planes. In India they developed an exceptionally diverse form of Islam, and venerated saints, pundits, gurus, and fakir's in the hindu tradition. One Mughal ruler (Akbar) even attempted to create a great hybrid religion incorporating Islam, Buddhism, and various Hindu practices etc.
Obviously wikipedia doesn't find these facets of the spread of Islam as exciting as the rape and pillage of the Moorish hordes, and satan's soldiers of the Ottoman's terrorising Eastern Europe.
- BaskerviIle0
hey kuz, you know you can edit wikipedia? that's the whole point. As a journalist you should be doing your bit. Why not add that information so others can see it, rather than it getting lost in a design forum?
Wikipedia sucks right now, but if enough people edit and re-edit it could one day be a reliable source.
- TheBlueOne0
Pistachios came from Iran. That's all I need to know, A country that can produce a tasty beer nut can't ba all bad...I say Bush and Mahmoud sit down with some brews, some pistachios, a few opening " A rabbi, a baptist preacher and a mullah walk into a bar..." jokes to break the tension and world peace will explode all willy nilly...besides isn't that why Americans voted for Bush in the first place - you know, cause he's a good sitting down sharin' a beer kinda guy?
- ********0
Wikipedia is locked for editing because of its naive utopianism and faith in human integrity.
- TheBlueOne0
Wikipedia is open for editing because it's like a British whore in French stockings and it's got a street walkers proverbial heart of gold.
Kuz
(Sep 25 07, 07:18)
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Witt = another brainwashed religious freak.
Crouwels_Mom
(Sep 25 07, 07:06)me? lol.
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good info, Kuz. thx. i was unaware of the schism.
- TheBlueOne0
Persian culture is alive and thriving. Their language, culture, song, dance, and traditions, predate Islam and are forces of extremt nationalistic pride.
Kuz
(Sep 25 07, 07:10)...and pistachios. You forgot the bit about the pistachios.