tipping (!!!!)
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- gramme0
I really don't get that about the States - imo, you should for what you ask for and leave the tip as a discretionary .. well.. 'tip'.
I mean, it's supposed to be a little extra - not something demanded.
Nairn
(Apr 18 07, 08:02)Agree w/ para on this one. When I waited tables in college I made $2.38/hr plus tips, so tips were completely vital. There are two arguments to be made here, and I see the vailidity of each:
a) That tips should be tossed out the window and wait/bar/bell/parking staff should be paid more across the board per hour.
b) The tipping system helps encourage (most of the time) timely, courteous service. Of course some people would be swayed by the exceptions as this is more of a goal than a widespread reality among tipped employees.
- qruise0
Perhaps you should worry about tipping for alcohol when you're old enough to drink, little guy.
jox
(Apr 18 07, 08:09)on the contrary, i tip bartenders quite quite well. its much different then some fucking bimbo whos job it is to walk a bottle over and pop it once and a while. do you have any fucking idea how hard inner city bartenders work?
- ********0
the tipping system provides the valuable service of discouraging restaurant personnel from jacking off in your food
- bulletfactory0
there's a bar in my town that had the nerve to put up a sign that said:
"better tips = better drinks"
I prefer it the other way around.
- kelpie0
"b) The tipping system helps encourage (most of the time) timely, courteous service. Of course some people would be swayed by the exceptions as this is more of a goal than a widespread reality among tipped employees."
that smells badly of a smokescreen for exploitation to me...
- paraselene0
do you have any fucking idea how hard inner city bartenders work?
qruise
(Apr 18 07, 08:13)yeah, those guys are on the front lines! as opposed to those lazy waitresses who just sit around all day long, polishing their fingernails. geez.
- ********0
yeah, those guys are on the front lines! as opposed to those lazy waitresses who just sit around all day long, polishing their fingernails. geez.
paraselene
(Apr 18 07, 08:14)exactly!
- Nairn0
a and b needn't be mutually exclusive though, gramme.
Don't get me wrong - I don't believe in not-tipping, I just think it's wrong for a system to be predelicted against hard working staff - to underpay then rely on a social pressure to ensure people are paid fairly.
Almost seems counter to the very basis of the capitalist American society, in fact.
- moural0
$2 for valet and all I get in return is my car and a dirty floormat? Ha.
- qruise0
yeah, those guys are on the front lines! as opposed to those lazy waitresses who just sit around all day long, polishing their fingernails. geez.
paraselene
(Apr 18 07, 08:14)when the fuck did i ever say anything about servers? are you fucking blind? my entire topic was about fucking "wine servers", which is a completely isolated excuse for a job. if a restaurant has a waitress bring all of ur drinks and wines and whatever out, then thars slightly different. jesus christ, try and read.
- -sputnik-0
part of going out and having a drink is tipping, so buy a bottle and drink it at home if it's such a bother.
- Nairn0
'predelicted'? That's not even close to a real word.
* Throws away dictionary, reads Sun.
- kelpie0
or in a brown paper bag outside with your nose pressed against the glass
- kelpie0
sorry. flashback
- paraselene0
and im supposed to pay $20 to a fucker for holding something that weighs less as much as a shoe across a room to me?
qruise
(Apr 18 07, 07:57)did you just tell me to try and read?
the mind boggles...
- kelpie0
aye that was quite wendell-like
- paraselene0
his patter's great and he's a real charmer, wonder if he wants to meet irl.
- gramme0
a and b needn't be mutually exclusive though, gramme.
Don't get me wrong - I don't believe in not-tipping, I just think it's wrong for a system to be predelicted against hard working staff - to underpay then rely on a social pressure to ensure people are paid fairly.
Almost seems counter to the very basis of the capitalist American society, in fact.
Nairn
(Apr 18 07, 08:16)True, I see your point. However there would have to be a changing of the status quo in order for tipped staff to get across the board increases in hourly wage as well as keeping the expectation of tipping...
Not saying I agree w/ the current system, especially since I've personally been screwed by it in the past...it is what it is for the moment.
- kelpie0
Hotel concierge:
$5 for getting you tickets or reservations ($10-plus if they're hard to get). No tip required when you ask for directions. 1/2 lines per gram.
- material-10
in the us, servers are taxed on 15% woirth of their take that day so regardless of what you tip they still get taxed