BA Degree?
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- ********0
tough it out and get that degree
nicnichols
(Apr 3 07, 11:30)the problem with degree education is not thatits hard (which it reeeally isnt) its just that its sooo fucking expensive..
u have all the spending habits of a regular deisnger (alcohol, drugs, rent, post it notes and pens) as well as £9K tuition fees & studio fees
- erokcom0
"artistic ability can be honed. but it can never be taught or learned. don't kid yourself on this one
"I agree..
That and hard work helps.
Oh, and being eager.growing up poor as shit helps too.
- ********0
i never even look at the education part.
it is about the following...
Portfolio
Potential
And that you aren't a douche
- -sputnik-0
i agree w/mg33
- akoni0
jsut another way to show effort.. even if a designer didn't finish
- ********0
come to that NEXT POINT...
if it seems to be trivial wether a designer has a degree or not...
do YOU 9as potential employers) look to see what grade/avg a designer obtained at uni??
- ********0
growing up poor as shit helps too.
erokcom
(Apr 3 07, 13:31)Haha, I find that has helped with a lot of things in retrospect.
- -sputnik-0
i never think it hurts if anyone looking for a job, designer or otherwise, has a BA. every place i've ever worked for which required them required them not necessarily for the skill of that particular job, but found it to be indicative of certain things, like a somewhat developed sense follow-through, a certain level of discipline and sometimes professionalism. fair or not, that's always been what i've seen.
- jysta0
Whats your job title mg33??
- canuck0
A BA is required for mcDonalds these days.
- mg330
jysta,
Marketing Coordinator, though I don't really do anything that such a job profile describes. It's just the next title our company had after Marketing Assistant and before Marketing Manager.
Many descriptions for that kind of job deal with all sorts of event planning, working with clients, etc. I don't do that stuff at all, our Assistant does.
100% of managing our web site content and initiatives is my responsibility, and in general I'm the decision maker on everything we do with it (which comes with plenty of telling attorneys "sorry, we just don't do that," when they come to us to reinvent the wheel or create content that would be outrageously ineffective. It can be a laugh sometimes - but that's when I feel my abilities working - I understand how to guage the benefits of what we may or may not do. We're a firm of nearly 80 attorneys now and we have seen huge growth in the past year, both in size and in our marketing efforts. It's fun - it can get boring at times, but the joy is in working for a great company, knowing that attorneys and management depend on me and that I'm leaving a good mark on things there. Often times I'm the only person we have for knowledge of certain things, and it's rewarding to be depended on for that.
I do plenty of other things... lots of working with attorneys to make their bios effective, get them interested in writing legal articles and targeting publications, editing and editing and rewriting to make things understandable by non-lawyers (always a challenge). Also manage and direct our client newsletter, published quarterly and mailed to around 5,000 clients and contacts.
- mg330
A BA is required for mcDonalds these days.
canuck
(Apr 3 07, 16:22)-------------------------------
I know! All that shit in their food, you sure do need a degree to read their ingredients and nutritional info!
ZING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- nicnichols0
As far as GPA goes, it really depends on what they had studied.. Its not a big deal if they have a great portfolio, but bad grades.. grading Art + Design is too subjective..
I am the head of production at a mid-size agency, and I not only do retouching but a lot of client work- and all of the interviewing as well.. (I also teach advanced photoshop production at Cecil College..)
All I can say is work hard, and have good work. "Don't be a douche" is part of it too- have a good attitude and don't be arrogant even if you think you are better then the person sitting across from you.
-- My photo site http://www.nicnichols.com is what I do when I am out of the office.. when I have time!
- erokcom0
If this say's something about hard work...
I only have a 2 year degree....
I work fulltime for RazorFish and I am a part time teacher at The Creative Circus.
Hard work pay's off over a stupid degree. No one has ever asked me what my GPA was. Ever! I finished school for me. It was something I started that I wanted to finish. I could have quit and I don't think it would have changed my career.
- erokcom0
Ok, so not trying to sound like a dickHead.. Just saying that in our field a degree won't get you in the door at the great places... Good work does. IMHO.
Am I wrong?
- studderine0
Well..What if you want to be a web developer? Many of those jobs require a BS.
- Jaline0
Obviously experience is more important.
But there are some things you learn in school...
- ********0
fuck it why argue its like anything..
if u can do it.. u can..
if u cant - tough tittyI know some webdevs that have had no proper schoolign and crack out amazing CMS andwebs like there are no tmrw. innovative shit like SMS>PHP/Flash and Ajax (when it was breakthrough)
and i know plenty of ppl with bogus degrees that cant do shit.
the thing that is worrying me is that if all the sexy companies that im thinking of working for (that spot talent andnot grades) are full or not employing me im ognna have to go thru an agency or somehting and they WILL look at my grades :(
- Jaline0
I agree with mg33.
Nicely put :)
Now if I can only get through this final year of my degree...
- Jaline0
I don't think design is such an innate talent that it can’t be learned.
studderine
(Apr 3 07, 10:47)Basics can always be learned.
But to be truly good at something you either have to bullshit your way through everything (like in school, I have honed this skill), or you have to be innately talented (which I can be, depending on the skill, of course).
Bullshitting is more likely to be revealed in the long-run though.