BA Degree?
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- ********0
mg33 put it best.
- studderine0
More money? Well I am still in college. I hope you make more money than me.
- studderine0
who said party?! oh man!!!
- studderine0
I don't think design is such an innate talent that it can’t be learned.
- ********0
All those studies are done incorrectly by the way. Mostly management, director types make the most money in a given job (outside of VPs and the like) and most companies would like you to have at the least a BA (of any type, does not have to be associated to your field at all by the way) as the basis to show you are well rounded.
Now here is the catch, how many of those openings come around in a given year at your place of business, or hell let us say two years, haha?
Are you following my point.
There are fewer people who make more money because of their degrees (and even that is not always the case in most jobs, drive, experience and an impeccable smile help too) than those without them who make more than comfortable money.
- OSFA0
You have to have it in you if you wanna make it son. It's not just learning it and making money, you have to like it, fuck it, love it.
There are people who are creative and there a many more that are not at all. teach them design for 50 years and they would still design crap because it's not in them.
- ********0
those without discipline are clusterfucks. No matter how talented they are.
- ********0
I don't think design is such an innate talent that it can’t be learned.
studderine
(Apr 3 07, 10:47)Do you know your one friend who thinks he is funny, but you never laugh at any of their jokes and you wonder why in the hell they continue?
That’s because being funny is an innate talent as well. Sure basics can be taught to anyone, but to be better than the rest for the most part there is something else present in people that for whatever reason, other people don’t have.
- ninjasavant0
Ive got 2 (art/psych) and I had to have above a 3.0 to be considered for where I work. We have 1 designer with no degree on our team but she has 20+ years experience.
- studderine0
Well...uh...have you checked the census stats? I mean even the gov. knows you make more money. I am not saying that you won't make money without a degree, but according to the stats those who do not obtain a degree are usually left in the dust.
flavorful hurts feelings on a daily basis. haha.
- ********0
Also, I am a Software Engineer perhaps there is a difference in the fields too, haha.
I always forget to add that point in my ramblings.
- Sickman0
I don't think design is such an innate talent that it can’t be learned.
studderine
(Apr 3 07, 10:47)artistic ability can be honed. but it can never be taught or learned. don't kid yourself on this one
- studderine0
I am not a natural artist or designer by any means. I given an override to take Typography and Design Theory I to obtain a better understanding of design. I "learned" design and faired much better than the actucal design majors. Maybe it was because I worked harder, but I "learned" design.
- OSFA0
flavorful hurts feelings on a daily basis. haha.
studderine
(Apr 3 07, 10:54)remember what he said about being funny and nobody laughing
well........
HAHAHA jk 'rome
- ********0
what experience and degrees..
EVERYONE knows that the famous make it famous cause they
1-at the right place at the right time/ in the right scene at the right time [ie Carson, Bill Graham]
2- They Network a shitload/ schmoose and wine and dine - and its all about who u know in this game
3- they work silly hard, and cant switch OFF from work - in an obsessive kinda way..all us other peasant folk, try to get the one over eachother with degrees, qualifications, certifications, experience, glossy logos...
meh.. im graduating this year - but im not expecting anyone to give me a free ride... at the end of the day.. if u got that sparkle in ur eye, design sensibility and drive - u cant go wrong, degree or no degree
- studderine0
ha. nice. jab!
- studderine0
ha. nice. jab!
- ********0
Douché OSFA, hahaha.
- mg330
Thanks morilla :)
I hate to ever sound like I'm on some kind of a high horse to people about having a degree, because I'm totally not that way. I'm an average designer and certainly don't have the kind of work in my portfolio that many people around here do.
But my current job experience is giving me so much beyond just production work, which, correct me if I'm wrong, the majority of people are doing who DO NOT have degrees.
I couldn't do my job without my educational knowledge. I didn't know anything really about legal marketing when I started in marketing at this law firm, but my education helped me figure it out - lots of things like understanding our target clients, knowing how to give them what they need to make decisions about our services, etc.
I guess the main question is, depending on your desired career path, how far can you see yourself going financially without a degree and just working as a Designer? Are the opportunities as good for becoming a CD, AD, Advertising Director, Marketing Director, etc. aka the jobs that are going to make you much more $$, if you don't have a degree?
- nicnichols0
mg33-- well put-
...I have been working for my firm for over 10 years, and aside from production, have had to do billing, accounting, press releases.. ect..
It really comes down to what you want to do- I would always say Stay IN School- tough it out and get that degree