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- TheBlueOne0
you've got to be kidding me.
BonSeff
(Feb 28 07, 11:07)No, no BonSeff, you're taking that literally when it's meant, like one God-Day would be like equal to like a zillion puny human years. See, that's you know, how that gets factored in. But the bit about stoning men that lie with other men? Totally literal. God meant that bit.
- driftlab0
A believer I am. I have no idea what a YEC is. And I'm not interested in debating these things on a design community.
- TheBlueOne0
100!
(Minus Discipler/Flaggelum...)
- flagellum0
YEC = Young Earth Creationist.
- TheBlueOne0
And I'm not interested in debating these things on a design community.
driftlab
(Feb 28 07, 11:12)I am heading over to a Bible Discussion forum right now and seeing what they think about the merits of Helvetica.
Yes I am.
Will they also conclude that it is God's perfect typographical creation?
- BonSeff0
thx BlueOne. Your explaination has opened my eyes and now i see the true way..
- gramme0
The reasons for disbelief will always be numerous. What I think lies at the core for many people is not a modernist-fueled thirst for logic and congruity, but a simple lack of faith, an unwillingness to believe, and an overwhelming desire to serve self. This was the case for me as well as many people I've met throughout my life.
Arguments implementing logic will explain most of the Bible, though not all of it. It is certainly possible that if God created us along with everything else, that his mind would exist on a super-logical plane, and could devise and comprehend things that we will never be capable of grasping this side of eternity.
Some might say this is a likely excuse for someone who has run up against a theological/moral/logical wall and can't get around it. I however say that it's fully logical that God is a super-logical being, having a mind infinitely more advanced than ours, unencumbered by the rules we imagine to bind the universe together. It's a simple if/then equation. If he is the supreme being, then it follows that many things about him would be incomprehensible to us. I personally would rather believe in something greater than what my own mind can conjure and my hands can build. I would make a pitiful god, along with the rest of the human race.
- Mimio0
"...yes... well... if you factor alternate realities into the equation..."
-Discipler
- Mimio0
If you don't find it interesting. You know what to do.
- flagellum0
Great points, gramme. The reason I think there is so much confusion surrounding the order of creative days/events is because God exists outside of time and space. It's his creation. He's not subject to these creations. Therefore, we can't make a chronological timeline of such events. We aren't thinking on his plane. It's a noetic framework approach.
- barbtastic0
can't you all spare us and fight over at godtoday.com?
- flagellum0
In the same way that Christ's redemptive work on the cross and thru the ressurection have a "backwards" affect through time by redeeming the patriarchs who looked forward in faith to his coming, so the creative events and the fall into sin work in a similar way which we can't fully comprehend.
- jpea0
this is great (taken from the comments on the thread link)
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Dennis - Turkey
02/28/2007 11:06This may be a great news.. As Jesus is the son of God, according to Christian belief, we can find traces of God's DNA in the bones, which means someday God can be cloned.. Eventually everyone can have a personal clone of God, that's great cos think about it, a God that hears only your prayers.. Looking forward to it
- TheBlueOne0
No Gramme, I don't believe in Christianity or Jesus as Savior bc it simply doesn't resonate with me, although I think Jesus said some pretty true and hardcore things.
The religion refutes my logic, and my heart and the actions of many of those who lay claim to follow the religion are varied and in many cases, in my judgement unethical and immoral. And this is the case as I see it over 2,000 years of history. And the fruit comes form the root...
I find far more spiritual solace and ethics in Buddhism than I do in Christianity although I wouldn't begin to call myself a buddhist.
But hey, that's just me. I get why people find comfort and sustenance in it, I just don't. In fact I find much of it abhorant and selfish - people running around doing things to protect their own souls for personal salvation to me reeks of Selfish ness and the ultimate immorality. Or giving "glory to god" - why would god need glory? Also seems a tad selfish on his part.
Silly religion for silly people.
- BonSeff0
nails
- flagellum0
True Biblical Christianity is nothing like the caricature that blueOne wants to believe, of course. Rather, it's a relationship entered thru faith in the redemptive work of Christ. A relationship which motivates us to love and serve others. You know, like the millions of Christians across the globe giving their time and their lives to help others.
Silly Christians.
- BonSeff0
more like giving their time and lives to convert others... if help is mixed in along the way, thats a happy bonus, but it is what it is
- M0NEYCIDE0
True Biblical Christianity is nothing like the caricature that blueOne wants to believe, of course. Rather, it's a relationship entered thru faith in the redemptive work of Christ. A relationship which motivates us to love and serve others. You know, like the millions of Christians across the globe giving their time and their lives to help others.
Silly Christians.
flagellum
(Feb 28 07, 11:28)amen
- gramme0
i guess one has to examine the definition of help, BonSeff.
- flagellum0
utter nonsense, Bonseff. Did you really just say that? Mercy you're clueless. There are gazillions of Christian missionary organizations serving strictly the physical needs of people around the globe without evangelism.