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- flagellum0
I wanted to reply earlier, but gramme took the words outta my mouth. :) Well said!
What our species has is a desire for love and fulfillment and lasting contentment.
Jesus provides this.
- flagellum0
Mimio: wrong. What you need to understand is original renderings of words in Hebrew + the cultural context. "Slaves" in the ancient Hebrew culture were house servants who were often treated better than members of the family.
Go get yourself a beginners commentary on the old testament. Throw in a Hebrew lexicon for good measure, too.
- mrdobolina0
yeah the guys who built the pyramids wanted to be there...
- Mimio0
It's not up for debate or apologisms. People owned other people, and that practice is clearly condoned in the bible.
- Mimio0
However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)
- flagellum0
First and foremost, it should be noted that the Bible does not commend slavery; rather, it recognizes the reality of slavery. In the ancient world where slavery flourished, the Mosaic Law thus stipulated stringent guidelines such as a year of Jubilee in which slaves were released (Lev. 25:40). In fact, it was the application of biblical principles that ultimately led to the overthrow of slavery, both in ancient Israel and in the United States of America. Israel’s liberation from slavery in Egypt became the model for the liberation of slaves in general. (see Gen. 1:27; Acts 17:26–28; see also Gal. 3:28).
Furthermore, slavery within an Old Testament context was sanctioned due to economic realities rather than racial or sexual prejudices. Because bankruptcy laws did not exist, people would voluntarily sell themselves into slavery. A craftsman could, thus, use his skills in servitude to discharge a debt. Even a convicted thief could make restitution by serving as a slave (Exod. 23:3).
Finally, we should note that far from extolling the virtues of slavery, the Bible denounces slavery as sin. The apostle Paul goes so far as to put slave traders in the same category as murderers, adulterers, perverts, and liars (1 Tim.1:10). Indeed, slavery is so abhorrent to God that in the final book of the Bible, He condemns the evil systems that perpetuate it.
- flagellum0
A text out of context becomes a pretext.
- Witt0
that coffin must have cost a fortune, even for hollywood standarts.
- Mimio0
Nice to see that my beloved copy+paste xtian apologist is back to form.
http://www.worldmagblog.com/blog…
People can draw thier own conclusions about what is revealed by the "holy spirit" in Leviticus, since it's apparently written for my benefit by God himself.
//ahem
- mrdobolina0
hey flagellum, want to be my slave? I will only beat you within an inch of your life once a week otherwise it would be a sin, because of god and jesus and the bible.
- flagellum0
Mimio: I've linked that reference i just quoted numerous times here. Forgive me if I neglected to cite the reference this time. But when given a sound response to a criticism, the right thing to do is acknowledge your error.
- flagellum0
You reading from 1st Opinions again, mrdobolina? You are like the freshman in liberal arts college in these threads. All wide-eyed and loud and without a clue. Bless your heart. :)
- mrdobolina0
does jesus you to be a smug prick?
- flagellum0
Nah, he taught me to use clever retorts when in dialogue with dishonest people who don't really care to hear the other side of things.
Just read John Ch. 8, for starters. Some harsh words he used against those Pharisees.
- mrdobolina0
you're dead wrong flagellum, admit it.
- flagellum0
you don't understand anything that's being discussed here mrdobolina, admit it.
- TheBlueOne0
No, no you guys, you're missing the point. You see, slavery was the "thing" back then. You're missing the whole "historical context".
Like these days it's OK for Christians (and their attending civilization) to exploit brown people in Latin America and the Yellow people in Asia. You see, it's the "context of the times", because you know, if you actually had a religion based around a guy who ran into a temple tipping over merchants tables, you'd think they might be a little more attentive to the misery of economic slavery. But hey, it's the "context now" - non need to do anything about it, and we have more important spiritual matter to attend to, like whose dick goes into whose ass, how the world is only 6,000 years old, and who controls the wombs. I mean I never hear about any Christians giving up stuff to make sure poor people aren't exploited...but they do sell lots of CD's called "Name it and Claim it: You're way to spiritual wealth" and buy shit on QVC alot...
- flagellum0
I think the BlueOne forgot his meds again and has been reading from II Hezitations.
- mrdobolina0
What is there not to understand? I know you think that christianity can do no wrong, that is pretty apparent. But texts of the bible say that if you beat your slave to death and he dies on the same day you are a murderer and have sinned but if you beat him and he dies the next day you are off the hook.
Tell me exactly what I am missing about this?
- flagellum0
Wasn't this thread about James Cameron's tomb discovery of titanic proportions?