[nationality] design
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- mr_snuggles0
well played vespa..
- ********0
"i'm not saying one country is better or worse but the world is much higher in cultural resolution than a computer monitor. "
who is making who fucking angry?
i fucking visit museums, movies, plays and even opera ffs.
i see everything being submerged in commercial opportunity that needs to be tried in other countries as well. and unfortunately with similar success.
look at big brother.
look at vandenende's nonsensical theatre productions.look at all the music halls and ballet groupt hiring most people from abroad..
etcetera
et-fucking-cetera
- Meeklo0
meeklo have you ever looked at the Brazil inspired book?
mr_snuggles
(Oct 17 06, 08:57)Dude..
I lived in brasil for 3 years.
My current girlfriend is from rio.
I speak portuguese, and I did watched the book.Yes brasil has lot of important elements that inspire people but that does not necesarily mean that is brasilians the only ones doing that style of design, or that no where else in the world they have a similar style.
That might have been true 25 years ago, not anymore.
The actual fact that you know about that book, and that you have read it (without the need to be in brasil) is supporting my argument.
- ********0
[graffiti] design, can be the same way.
Different cities have very distinct styles that varies around the world.
I think I'm miffed as well.
- ********0
well put, meeklo.
- ********0
[architecture] design...
- ********0
see everything being submerged in commercial opportunity that needs to be tried in other countries as well. and unfortunately with similar success.
look at big brother.
look at vandenende's nonsensical theatre productions.look at all the music halls and ballet groupt hiring most people from abroad..
etcetera
et-fucking-cetera
Crouwel
(Oct 17 06, 09:10)
---------------------------This is true.
But you start from the point of equality - and believe that the masses can be educated. They were never educated.
Culture was/is and will be specific to different groups, interests, etc, etc. You will never have the whole world admiring Steve Reich or Judas Priest.
But in the whole, every culture his getting bigger and more specific - sometimes even ovellaping, which is what pours into mainstream culture.
- vespa0
yea that was the tame version crouwel, you're pissing me off. i don't know what you're upset about but travel from the netherlands to zurich to london to india and tell me the visual culture is the same. pfft. you've got such a goddamn chip on your shoulder about fuck knows what that you can't see the positive in cultural diversity, you have to turn it into something negative.
visual diversity is all around us in this enormous world and it's wonderful. it may get blandified in corporate design because too many designers are just photocopiers rather than trusting their own eyes but if you see differently then why don't you should change it instead of bloody bitching about it?
*waves red flag
- ********0
I thought everyone agreed that canada was the center of the design world
- Meeklo0
And assuming that if you read the brasil inspired book you already know about all of brasil desing, or that every single sould in brasil designs just like in that book, well..
I'm pretty sure no one thinks like that. but anyways.. you see my point?
- mr_snuggles0
dude, we're argueing different points, so with that said, I bow out... I've just come out that funk and I don't need to be lead back down that reality road at the moment...
and sorry meeklo, apparently you're above me, over my head since I still can't figure out what point it is that you're trying to make...
- Jaline0
The way the world is now, with globalization and Westernization, there will only be a few dominant cultures and religions in the future.
- ********0
stop fucking putting words in my mouth. i am not talking about equality, i don't believe in that shit.
christ, decades/centuries ago our national identities were much more separated, it had so much more contrasts and unicity.
and yes, i am a fucking nostalgist.
i only see it becoming the same and same and same.
if i travel through europe by car and look at billboards/store windows etc etc i am hardly surprised anymore as you would be in the 1920's walking into a art nouveau bar in the heart of paris.
it's just not like this anymore.
it's over.
the end of history as fukuyama put it.
we reached the summit.. the top. we all think the status quo is best for us.
no more french revolutions, decadent emperors building huge palaces, no more cultures influenced by a tremendous collective national dream, how inhuman this sometimes may be.
- vespa0
what a pit of negativity this thread is. night!
- ********0
vespa, this is the eruption of my extreme anger that's been growing inside me lately. i am really happy for you that you are not as bitter as i am. and i am serious, not sarcastic, vesp.
i do however bitch because i care.
it just pisses me off to see the golden arches everywhere.
and i mean this metaphorically.
- mr_snuggles0
posthumanity? I'm all for it...
What prigoginic level are we shooting for? Shaper or Mech? Or maybe a superbright or gasbag?
- ********0
end of history does not mean post-humanity snugs.
- mr_snuggles0
no but "we reached the summit.. the top. we all think the status quo is best for us" infers such a leap...
where else is left to go, San Francisco?
- ********0
hey, i did not make that up. and i fucking hope there will be grand perspectives left for society.
maybe i should stop reading philosophy.
perhaps it makes me bitter.
sorry for upsetting people here.
i wonder why it would upset people, though.
- Jaline0
Rand for Prime Minister!