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- JazX0
are you female vespa? i can't remember. if you are you have every right to say that.
- Gucci0
public safety campaigns?
I'm interested and confused at the same time...what campaigns are you talking about specifically?
- Luckypp0
Ok, people are taking what I said 100% the wrong way.
What a woman wears NEVER justifies rape.
HOWEVER,
One cannot act like they have immunity from the world, just cause it should be that way.
Face it, the world is a dangerous place, and to pretend that anyone is immune to it is plain ignorant.
- MX_OnD0
Nothing can excuse it.
I don't believe that dress alone is what is meant either.
Quite seriously my european female workamtes and friends are all always shocked by the dress and behaviour of many scottish girls, these are not prudes I'm talking about either... but average 20 - 30 year olds...
While none of them would ever say that you could be to blame for being raped because of what you wear they all say that there is no need to make yourself a target.
It is a topic that actually comes up very often, when you walk down Lothian Road with a German girl for example on a friday night she will comment on it even though she's lived here for 3 years.... they just cannot get used to it find it irresponsible and beyond in some cases.
- version30
another note, the decline of morals can be inversely related to the rising skirtlines
why does my 12 yr old neice look like britney spears instead of a 12 year old girl?
the oversaturaion of sex and appearance in media and society
blame the system that is molding its people
- vespa0
it shouldn't really make a difference whether i'm female or not, but yes i'm female.
all public safety campaigns to do with rape are always directed at women. you probably don't notice because you're male.
so what's your stance on the burqa then version3?
- Luckypp0
MX_Ond,
You put it far better than I did.
It's about not making yourself a target. I know it isn't right, but hey, it is true.
- fate_0
I'm surprised no one has touched on the topic of women who aren't raped, have seemingly normal consensual intercourse...but later claim to be raped, either because of some psychological guilt/shame or in search of money or simply to be a bitch.
They exist, even if it is a touchy topic.
- Gucci0
my opinion (not that you asked for it):
is that the burqa is a product of insecurity and fearhowever, what does a miniskirt and nothing-shirt do to empower a woman?
just curious to hear it from a woman's perspective
- determinedmoth0
some personal responsibility must be taken
version3
(Nov 21 05, 09:20)So - I could say you were asking for it when I kicked you to death and expect a softer sentence for your murder?
- vespa0
i personally don't dress like that because i don't find it aesthetically appealing.
but i'm just pointing out that your line of reasoning is how the burqa came into being - it's all about saying that men can't control themselves and therefore women have to cover up or risk being a target.
- MX_OnD0
Luckypp
perhaps this is a better example as it is further from the horrors of rape yet displays the same meaning...
I lived in Zürich's red light district for a year, my aunt was terrified that I would get stabbed or shot or mugged or whatever.
If she had ever came to visit me I have no doubts whatsoever that she would have been attacked within seconds, due to her making herself a victim.
Me on the otherhand, well I never wore a nice watch with short sleeves for example... it's a survival technique ultimately. I let my own mother walk to my flat from the train station and had no fear of her being attacked, she knew not to attract attention to herself.
Was it a shame that I can't wear my favourite watch? Yes of course it was.
Would I wear it anyway out of "well I should be able to"?
Hell no I wanted to still have it tomorrow.
- version30
typically, women that wear burquas (imo) have more pressing issues to worry about than rape
such as the fact that they are barely treated as human equals
i will also say that rape knows no color, religion, or age
but technically speaking, i can only assume that a burqa helps more than a micro mini skirt showing white cotton panties as a deterrent to such things as the more provacatively dressed woman is leaving little to the imagination
say you are looking at 2 pictures of the same guy, one in a sweater, one sweating after a workout, the 2 images give a different hormonal response, you are more sexually attracted to the hsirtless one than where he is covered
this is the same thing for men vespa
ask any guy here, we've all seen a girl walk down the street leaving nothing to the imagination, then there's a little voice that says "if she only gave me 5 minutes" it's our responsibility that makes us flirt with her not rape her
and before it's overlooked men are being raped to, more than reported for obvious reasons, and if you laugh that off you are just part of the problem as well
- JazX0
it shouldn't really make a difference whether i'm female or not, but yes i'm female.
vespa
(Nov 21 05, 09:23)well it sorta' does because females are the ones being raped. anyway
- vespa0
so are you only able to wear it alone at home mx? do you polish it late into the evening, staring lovingly into it's face, safe in the knowledge that no-one else will ever covet it because no-one else will ever see it?
- Luckypp0
vespa,
Actually the burqa has even deeper disturbing meaning, with women being vessels to test men, and women being original sin, etc.
However, past attrocities does not exclude people from having responsibility about the image that they project. It is horrible and unforgivable that someone would ever act on such, but to pretend it doesn't happen is stupid. People react to way people are dressed all the time, granted something as severe as rape is rarely the case - but we all know that it happens.
- KuzII0
without getting engaged in a stupid thread with stupid comments from stupid people (not you vespa). I'll just say one thing
Rape, has got NOTHING to do with what women wear. Women are raped no matter how they are dressed. And fuck anyone who puts the blame on the sexual confidence of women.
Moreover, rape has got a lot less to do with sexually frustrated men, and lot more to do with inferiority complexes of feable minded individual. It's about power more than sex. Sex is a form of power. Women are raped for being women, and confident.
- Luckypp0
Mx-Ond,
yeah good example, it's just about being aware of your surrondings.
Another example (which will get me in trouble) is a woman getting upset that people look at her chest, when she is wearing a shirt with huge clevage.
- version30
So - I could say you were asking for it when I kicked you to death and expect a softer sentence for your murder?
determinedmoth
(Nov 21 05, 09:30)
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if you think a judge would buy that in a rape case, go for it, but expect to bleed and be broken up as i don' t" take it laying down" as the thread implies
- vespa0
thank god someone is speaking sense kuz.
as for the rest of you, you're all colonial cunts*. if anything awful happens to your womenfolk, be sure to ask them what they were wearing to provoke such an outrage and see if you don't get a frying pan to the face.
*except for you mx especially if you have a nice watch which i will be sure to covet the next time i see you