9/11 salute
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- ********0
I think you misunderstand me Cactus. I never said come to an accommodation with them. And UNDERSTANDING does not mean APPRECIATING. I’m simply saying these issues are highly complex and answers such are “roasting them alive” are not answers at all, but base emotional reactions. If you understood the rise and spread of these movements, and fully understood how these movements thrive – then you too would understand that a “roasting them alive” attitude will simply make matters worse. Although, it will probably satisfy your bloodlust.
- ********0
The terrorist don't wanna kill people anymore, they wanna hurt them financially, which is much much worse. They got what they wanted 4 years ago. Piss off the US bad enough to head over in the middle east and fight a war that can't be won, and spending 200 Billion tax dollars on it.... and still counting.
designerror
(Sep 11 05, 21:46)exactly. i was just reading an article about it.
In fact, by calling this "The War On Terror" Bush gave Osama the greatest gift of all; political recognition. War will give any president privileges, and in the case of Bush these are unprecedented and lots of parallels are to be found (and YES i AM going to say this) with the upcoming Hitler regime back in the thirties of the last century.
Would Bush treat terrorists as just a bunch of criminals of the worst degree, then Osama and friends would be less encouraged because they did not make it to a political status.
Other then that, all the propagande for War on Terror is fuel on the fire for potential terrorists, for religious outlaws..
anyway, i could go on and on.. but need to work.
respect to all innocent people who lost their lives on and after 9/11.
- ********0
Go and watch it or read what they want and then come back and enlighted me about how you would come to some kind of accomidation with them.
Cactus
(Sep 12 05, 03:00)Or maybe he can travel to the middle east and learn something from people as opposed to the TV.
- ********0
oh, and the whole situation of political and cultural polarisation that is esp. visible in the relation between Europe and the US is exactly one of those things that Al-Queda wanted to achieve..
- ********0
" I’m simply saying these issues are highly complex and answers such are “roasting them alive” are not answers at all, but base emotional reactions."
thank god someone is using his brains here, instead of his panic and sense of insecurity.
- Cactus0
No "bloodlust" involved on my end. Just believe in opposing totalitarian and/or religious ideologies that seek to impose their belief systems on others who don't really care for them. Full stop.
BTW
Don't believe I ever said anything about "roasting" anyone.
- unfittoprint0
After 9/11 the whole world wanted to confront the [real] threat.
hell
something that even my hardline communist party member grandfather agreed on.
unfortunately
in what I consider to be the greatest insult to the victims of 9/11
some
used that tragedy to embark in some über internationalist agenda, with no ties whatsoever to the tragedy in a fuckfest of spin and non accountability.
the "war on terror" has just joined the same shit train as "the war on drugs".
bon voyage.
- ********0
We're stuck in a loop. We're fighting a war on terror to protect our freedom. MI5 then say we need to revoke some of our freedoms to fight this war.
Chickens and eggs.
My head hurts.
Hopefully I'll make it quietly to 70 and pop off this mortal coil and leave them all to it.
- ********0
I also think, Cactus, you fail to appreciate the European attitude (as you call it) after the London and Madrid bombings. Many Europeans understand that the war in Iraq, which had nothing to do with terrorism, has led directly to the growth in terrorism, and why London in particular was a target. I can see why so many would be against more “lets kill em all and let God decide!” reactions.
- ********0
I can see why so many would be against more “lets kill em all and let God decide!” reactions.
Kuz
(Sep 12 05, 03:20)Hang on a minute. Which God?
- ********0
No "bloodlust" involved on my end. Just believe in opposing totalitarian and/or religious ideologies that seek to impose their belief systems on others who don't really care for them. Full stop.
BTW
Don't believe I ever said anything about "roasting" anyone.
Cactus
(Sep 12 05, 03:19
=================Cactus, I think we are all against the jihadist ideologies, and against totalitarianism and tyranny (including American) – but some of our solutions are more sedate and thought out than others.
Dude, your whole reason for jumping into this thread was cos you were pissed off the “Euros” weren’t humouring the initial US posters with their “let’s murder the bastards attitude!”.
- unfittoprint0
ironic
that the "kill them all, let god decide" sentence
was used
by the fundamentalist christian Arnaud-Amaury
agains the more secular Cathars.
- Cactus0
I got into the thread because of two comments of the "America had it coming" variety. I find those sentiments offensive as I am sure Americans reading them do to.
Just to clarify: 9/11 happened before Iraq. The first attempt was in 1993, I believe. I just think Europe is very complaisant to the danger jihadism represents. The Islamic world, who are most affected by this pernicious ideology, need to sort this out themselves for it to end.
*Read Salman Rushdie' solutions in todays London Times as a starting point.
- ********0
" I just think Europe is very complaisant to the danger jihadism represents. "
hold it there my friend.
just because we are not invading any countries and scream "War on Terror" on the telly does not mean we are complacent to this sort of terrorism.
the real question is:
With all agression coming from the US of A one might think if they are the ones being complacent to what history teaches us.
- Cactus0
"...they are the ones being complacent to what history teaches us."
That's a point of view...
- Cactus0
Recent European history does not suggest it has a very good record of standing up to totalitarian ideologies.
- psv780
"Just believe in opposing totalitarian and/or religious ideologies that seek to impose their belief systems on others"
Cactus
(Sep 12 05, 03:19)-------------------
Isn't starting a war without ONU aproval a totalitarian ideologie???
- toe_knee0
or ramming democracy down others throats
- ********0
I think the point was, Cactus, military actions (as you seem cryptically to be espousing) have done nothing but make the situation worse. Which is the point of Iraq – the Right said it was essential to go in there to “take the fight to the enemy”. This was false and has made the situation far worse. People are advising caution every time they hear “bomb them” sentiments, is all. And actually, the US hardly has a blameless record in the Middle East so maybe “European” frustration towards America exacerbating the problem, is hardly unjustified.
- lowimpakt0
people understand what totalitarianism means and put it in context.