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- ********0
bwahaha! I read "is AN a hole in science".
arinya
(Aug 10 05, 08:33)
----------------------Look like someone is looking to get their site hacked again...
- discipler0
"A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death."
Albert Einstein
Mal
(Aug 10 05, 08:39)
----------------------------"Indeed, evolutionary ethicists have justified just about every human evil in terms of evolution (after all, how could those evils persist unless they had an evolutionary justification).
Perhaps we don’t need a white-coated technician in the sky to be good. But ...evolution gives us plenty of reason to be bad."
- Dr. William Dembski
- discipler0
The problems with Kauffman's theory:
http://www.ideacenter.org/conten…
http://www.discovery.org/scripts…
- mrdobolina0
please answer my questions, discipler.
- discipler0
already answered them a few times, mrdobs.
and they don't pertain to the discussion in this thread... which I didn't start.
- mrdobolina0
what were your answers?
- discipler0
Also, pertaining to Kauffman:
- ukit0
So basically the argument goes that because we don't understand absolutely everything that happened billions of years ago...then that automatically means Christianity must be true!
Discipler, no way would the Bible stand up to the ridiculously high bar you've set in trying to discredit what the vast majority of modern scientists believe.
I mean, c'mon - rising from the dead? That's like some Dungeons and Dragons type ish. And how did Noah fit two of every animal on earth in a ship?
Not to mention the fact that there's no evidence to support the fact that the Earth was created in six days, that it is less than 10,000 years old, no mention of the dinosaurs in the Bible at all (a pretty whopping omission considering they dominated terrestial life for over 100 times longer than humans have)...the list goes on and on.
There's no way a reasonable person can pretend to poke holes in the logic of science, and then turn around and say all this mystical superstitious babble is the answer. Like I said earlier, there's no more evidence to support Christianity than there is that humans were delivered to Earth by aliens.
- mrdobolina0
Im with ukit, discipler has a ridiculous double-standard going on.
- ukit0
And please...science has the potential to make people do bad things? Whereas religion, on the other hand...?
- ********0
And please...science has the potential to make people do bad things? Whereas religion, on the other hand...?
ukit
(Aug 10 05, 09:10)
-----------------------Religion is about peace and love and good happiness stuff...no one would ever kill anyone else over religion..that'd be wrong...
- Mal0
*"Without doubt you are not sane."
Tage Danielsson
- discipler0
ukit, you touch on several issues and make errors regarding them all. Let me try to address each...
"So basically the argument goes that because we don't understand absolutely everything that happened billions of years ago...then that automatically means Christianity must be true!"
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Response: No, the argument goes: There is impossible complexity of biological systems. Complexity which demonstrates the work of a designer. Though we still don't know everything, we know that science is only going to reveal more complexity in biological systems. Therefore, it's a logical conclusion to posit an intelligent and even personal designer.---------------------------
"I mean, c'mon - rising from the dead? That's like some Dungeons and Dragons type ish. And how did Noah fit two of every animal on earth in a ship?"
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Response: A.) There is reliable historical evidence which points towards the physical ressurection of Jesus Christ. More reliable historical record than most records you take for granted as being factual history. This includes writings from Josephus a secular historian. This also takes into account the records of his post burial appearance to over 500 people. The main issue here is a western prejuidice against the supernatural. B.) If you examine the dimensions of the ark given to noah in genesis, you discover that it was more than sea-worthy and quite huge. Also, the hebrew word used suggests that not literally every single species was required on the ark. Also, there's the issue of the convenience of baby animals as opposed to the adults. But these issues don't pertain to the I.D. discussion, do they?
---------------------------"Not to mention the fact that there's no evidence to support the fact that the Earth was created in six days, that it is less than 10,000 years old, no mention of the dinosaurs in the Bible at all (a pretty whopping omission considering they dominated terrestial life for over 100 times longer than humans have)...the list goes on and on."
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Response: Actually there is evidence of a young earth (though this is a secondary issue). And there is mention of dinosaurs in the Bible. Rather than going into a detailed dissertation here, it would be better to provide you with links for your own study, in the event that you truly care enough to research it:
http://www.answersingenesis.org/…
http://www.answersingenesis.org/…Again, most I.D. scientists are not Biblical creationists.
-----------------------------"There's no way a reasonable person can pretend to poke holes in the logic of science, and then turn around and say all this mystical superstitious babble is the answer. Like I said earlier, there's no more evidence to support Christianity than there is that humans were delivered to Earth by aliens."
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Response: Categorically false. There's an abundance of historical evidence to support Christianity. The science of textual criticism demonstrates how reliable the biblical record is. To deny the origins of Christianity as presented in the New Testament manuscripts is to deny factual history. To stick one's head in the sand. Do a study of the Codex Siniaticus and Codex Vaticanus and then we can have a fruitful discussion about this.- end responses
- ukit0
So...uh...just to make this clear, you believe people can come back to life. From the dead. Like zombies. I'm suddenly wondering why any of us are putting forth any real effort here...
- kld0
if it was written by man it must be true. 10 kazillion websites can't be wrong.
-disspeller
(081005)3:16(one)
- discipler0
I believe, as the bible teaches, that Christ rose from the dead and conquered sin and death. And that believers in Christ will one day experience a physical resurrection to a glorified body. (See: 1 Corinthians Ch. 15)
If God can create the universe, he'll have no trouble raising followers of Christ from the dead. I don't let my 21st century western mindset rule out the supernatural.
- mrdobolina0
dude, are you the web producer at http://www.answeringgenesis.org or what?
- arinya0
awww tick i'm just messing with you and ukit are you joking???
- mrdobolina0
why do we waste our time with this fucking kook?
- ********0
Jesus is a ....(wait for it.....wait for it....)...
...zombie?
Now that puts a whole different spin on it, don't it...?