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- konspiracy0
"everyone seemed happy enough to sip tea and play Cricket. At least in the black and white pictures I'm looking at."
genius moth ;)
- woof0
You can dismiss someones understanding of the situation online but won't give your own understanding of it?
skt
(Jul 29 05, 07:17)----------------
Ok. The US wanted to go into afghanistan before 911 because the Taliban got too powerful and started controlling a pipeline that passes through that Kazakistan, uzbekistan etc region. Unocal needed the oil to get into China because they are big consumers. Most of the people in the US government have connections in the oil industry and that region has long been a strategic military spot. So when 911 happened everything was practically ready to go, and they did. Sadam never had weapons and now people admit it. They're even openly calling it occupation under the flag of the 'mighty saviour'. This is very similar to what England did in Egypt during the time of the colonies in Africa. Iraq is an oil well, the whole damn place is full of it. If you secure oil, you're the big daddy of the world because everything runs on oil. Now, when soldiers attack people in mosques, they take it very seriously. And one of the radical and hostile aspects of Islam is the Jehad, or Jihad. The Taliban always was thirsty for power and imposing their ideas on other people, so the CIA helped them with weapons to fight off the Soviet Union when they invaded Afghanistan before. The CIA created the Taliban, sponsored them, etc. But then they didn't need them anymore because the USSR ceased to exist. So the Taliban started controlling their 'backyard' a bit too much for the oil companies to like it. The US had bombed many countries before that and the extremists attacked first the embassies in Africa because they were soft targets. And they had tried to attack the twin towers once but they bust them. They were meant to bomb it instead. 911 was the continuation of it, and the greatest excuse to go to war because of oil (or to look for Bin Laden, however u want it) and so there they are, the biggest nations united, attacking mosques and civilians etc. But It's a war, and civilians always pay either way. And because some people consider it a war on Islam they are attacking back. England is the second most involved country, and they wanted to show that they could also do harm. That's what they did. I'm not sure if this helps but it's much more quickly said in person, that's why it's a pain to write it....
- vespa0
oooh moth if i didn't like you and think you were quite funny i'd probably smack you for that one.
- kelpie0
woof, too true, but would you say the motivations of the American administration is as simple as that? The spreading democracy thing is a genuine aim and altruistic in and of itself - the problem I have with the neo-cons is that they seem incapable of seperating that from a capitalist stateside model of economics once this objective has been "achieved". Securing oil reserves is about mora than lining pockets too though....
(ok a BIG slice of devils advocate there)
- skt0
"England is the second most involved country..."
This annoys me. Britain. Br-it-ain. Grr.
As for the rest, you might well be right. I don't think you could call moth ignorant though. He knows too much about too many things. Don't you moth?
- determinedmoth0
As for the rest, you might well be right. I don't think you could call moth ignorant though. He knows too much about too many things. Don't you moth?
skt
(Jul 29 05, 07:44)Oh yes.
More than anyone would care to know.
- skt0
Oh yes.
More than anyone would care to know.
determinedmoth
(Jul 29 05, 07:50)Gin and Tonic sir?
- determinedmoth0
oooh moth if i didn't like you and think you were quite funny i'd probably smack you for that one.
vespa
(Jul 29 05, 07:37)I'll bet you can punch too.
- determinedmoth0
Gin and Tonic sir?
skt
(Jul 29 05, 07:50)Ice and a slice...
- woof0
"This annoys me. Britain. Br-it-ain. Grr. "
Haha - Sorry - I know, i know.
Kelpie:
Of course, one of the positive outcomes has been the fall of the Saddam dictatorship. Though I think that the 'simple' interests are not so simple. Specially when it comes to money. Besides, history has proven that the US government has no interest in democracy. If democracy goes according to their interests, then it's democracy.
I'm still glad they finished Saddam, but I'm also sure that a 'guest' that stays for too long ends up being a nuisance.
- determinedmoth0
We should have drinks tonight, talking of gin.
I'm thirsty.
- MX_OnD0
This annoys me. Britain. Br-it-ain. Grr.
As for the rest, you might well be right. I don't think you could call moth ignorant though. He knows too much about too many things. Don't you moth?
skt
(Jul 29 05, 07:44)I dunno.
Personally it really upset me to see the saltire on every image of "british" tanks rolling around in the desert, auld TB's ugly mug would've made a far better stencil and directed any feelings of malice to the right address as opposed to at bonnie scotland and her flag.
- vespa0
you know it.
i'd ask for a gin&tonic too but
1. i've just worked out gin makes me really depressed
and
2. last night i got absolutely slaughtered at work drinks and woke up with embarrassing memories of wrestling my boss for half an hour to get a photo deleted on her camera that i didn't like, during which time i seem to recall elbowing her in the face.i was very surprised not to see my p45 on my desk this morning
- woof0
Damn.Gin. I have some Saphire Bombay at home, now I wanna buy some lime on my way home! Anyone care for a drink and a game of Bridge?
- JazX0
Book'em DanO!
- skt0
I dunno.
Personally it really upset me to see the saltire on every image of "british" tanks rolling around in the desert, auld TB's ugly mug would've made a far better stencil and directed any feelings of malice to the right address as opposed to at bonnie scotland and her flag.
MX_OnD
(Jul 29 05, 07:54)I'm not saying its a good thing that we are involved.
But I can't get annoyed at people thinking the whole island is England for one thing and not for another.
- MX_OnD0
you know it.
i'd ask for a gin&tonic too but
1. i've just worked out gin makes me really depressed
and
2. last night i got absolutely slaughtered at work drinks and woke up with embarrassing memories of wrestling my boss for half an hour to get a photo deleted on her camera that i didn't like, during which time i seem to recall elbowing her in the face.i was very surprised not to see my p45 on my desk this morning
vespa
(Jul 29 05, 07:55)superstar!!
- JazX0
lol vespa
- soda0
I have to say it does annoy me when in response to claims that Iraq is related to what is happening here is that 9/11 happened before iraq and afghanistan, succesfully ignoring the US (and our) foreign policy for the last 50 odd years.
It's all really handy for our governments to instruct us to forget everything they have done in our name in the past.
- tkmeister0
i was watching cnn this morning. it looked almost like watching a scene from some movie.