gay marriage
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- piperboytoy0
co-habiting couples chose not to get married, but they still have rights as common law couples.
Gay couples in most countries don't have that choice at all. I think it all comes down to the right to choose to get married or not. Everyone should have a right to make that decision.
- ********0
Ironic.
Met a Spanish girl here. She totallly supports it and at the very same time wants circumcision to be widespread throughout Spain.
:)
- ********0
sorry moth - if I'm reading what you're saying right, and I like to think that I am, you think that heterosexuals should have more legal rights than homosexuals, because heteros are in the majority?
spaniard
(Jun 30 05, 11:15)No. I think that the rights of hetros should be got right first before we start dealing with the odd catagories. I guess what I'm saying is that marriage laws need to be redefined, and un-married couples should have the chance to claim what they currently cant. Gay or otherwise.
- paraselene0
i was secretly hoping that this whole gay marriage thing would just explode the whole tired fucking category. all we're talking about is an old way to exchange property. silly.
- spaniard0
I don't know, this is more symbolic than anything else, there'll be the same arguments, pre-marital contracts and messy divorces as there are with hetero couples but the point is that for a country where homosexuality, divorce and abortion were illegal in the 70's this is a major turn around. Big ass party last night in the streets...
- ********0
I got not problem with marriages in certain cultures and societies. Maybe even social backgrounds. But then when I see people like me, my peers I guess, and are all like “yeah we got married when I was 26”, I’m always like – what the fuck? Why? I mean they have separate incomes separate property separate everything. And with all the pre-nuptial crap, marriage becomes null and void anyway. Just some weird symbolism. And then Spain, parallely introduces quicky divorces where you can get divorced simply and cleanly everytime someone says “I need space to grow!”. So well you can understand why I couldn’t give less of a fuck if gayers can get married or not.
- paraselene0
i agree with you wholeheartedly on that one, spaniard. i think that spain is doing its level best to erase the legacy of franco and legalising and destigmatising homosexual relationships is a very almodovarian move and should be applauded.
in the states, however, the gay marriage debate is taking place on a vaudeville stage where marriage has come to mean very little and is now returning full circle to its ancient origins: an economic decision rather than a social ritual. not that one is more valid than the other, anyway.
it just seems to me that if i were queer and wanted to explore questions of gender, identity and individual liberties, it would be more important to me to prove the point that marriage is an empty machine with roots in the oldest sexism meme possible.
qua: rather than legalise gay marriage, i'd want to see all marriage banned. but that's just today. i'm not always so reactionary. :)
bottom line: felicidades!
- paraselene0
lol! kuz n' me are on the same drug today.
- ********0
dammit para, you said what i said more eloquantly
- ********0
i'm on vicadent
oh and hey, you is betta wit wurds dan me n e way
peace out homey!
- spaniard0
marriage in itself is kind of what you make of it, I reckon one of the major issues in relation to gay marriage is addressing the stereotype of homosexual promiscuity and frivolity, i.e the lack of ability to have a monogamous and committed relationship. Maybe this is helping to redefine what marriage actually is rather than merely allowing more people access to an out of date concept. The church hijacked marriage and turned it into a badge to join the 'normal citizen' club, and right now they're pretty pissed.
- ********0
the church never hijacked marriage in the "normal" citizen club. it was always about the "normal citizen" club. a way of opressing the female sexuality and women in general. It's like redifining torture to make it more inclusive. I don't understand. There's a reason why for millenia the logical conclusion of all marriage systems in all cultures, including european, was some for of arranged marriages.
marriage was doomed ever since people started marrying for love IMO.
- CaP0
marriage was doomed ever since people started marrying for love IMO.
Kuz
(Jul 1 05, 02:49)+++++++
very interesting statement, kuz...
- paraselene0
marriage was doomed ever since people started marrying for love IMO.
Kuz
(Jul 1 05, 02:49)love that! sound bite of the day.
- spaniard0
It's like redifining torture to make it more inclusive.
Kuz
(Jul 1 05, 02:49)
LOL!
- ********0
Really I just want my fucking taxes back and it's not fair to expect me to marry to do this.
The system favours players, and those who bat for the "other" team. That's great - but I'm not playing at all.
- brtman0
I want to take you to a gay bar!
http://www.rathergood.com/gaybar…
- paraselene0
The system favours players, and those who bat for the "other" team. That's great - but I'm not playing at all.
determinedmoth
(Jul 1 05, 03:17)that's the point! we should really boycott the whole goddamned institution.
- spaniard0
we should really boycott the whole goddamned institution.
paraselene(Jul 1 05, 03:22)
If you're not married then you already are...
- paraselene0
we should really boycott the whole goddamned institution.
paraselene(Jul 1 05, 03:22)
If you're not married then you already are...
spaniard
(Jul 1 05, 03:24)i meant in an intentional kind of way. with thought.