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- version30
more questions about heaven for discipler
i was happiest with my life when i was 35 but now i'm 98 and in a wheelchair with a bad back and jaundice
will i be happy healthy and young in heaven because i lick jesus' nuts everyday before i sleep and after i wake up not to mention meals
and my friend, hes black and 27 but a year ago he was in a bad accident and has disfiguring scars that make people uncomfortable in public. if he rowns while swimming will he have his scars on his face when he arrives in heaven? what if god takes them off to make him feel better? what if he doesn't feel like him any more
and do racists make it into heaven for being up gods ass?
are races seperated in heaven to avoid confrontation?
how does the guest list work and what are the rules on residual self image?
what about my uncle the innocent victim in a murder plot that sent him through a wood chipper?
will he be put back together with or with out scars or is there yet another section of heaven for that type of accident as well
i need answers discipler and you seem to think you have them all, so help a brother out will ya
*holding a bible to my head ready to pull the trigger,
jcg
- arinya0
Wait no dis. Faith is extermly important. But faith without action is dead. Jesus was a teacher and taught us to follow him. So we have to work to try and follow his perfect example. Logically and scripturally what you are saying does not make sense. In Jude one of Jesus' disciples warned that ungodly men were "turning the undeserved kindness of our God into an excuse for loose conduct and proving false to our only Owner and Lord, Jesus Christ."
Come on! The Bible says that we must "become doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving ourselves with false reasoning."—James 1:22.
The Bible even describes our Christian course like a race. There is work involved with our faith. Your saying we can continue living, for example, a life of sin but be saved by God only if we believe in Christ! Serioulsy! Jesus and the apostales kept urging the congregations to continue straightening their faith and changing there lives. Giving up false worship and unchristian behavior! You have to do more than simplly believe!
- groundst0
If that's not crap, I don't know what is... No, actually, I love Jesus. He's my Homie.
- Mimio0
Another thing about church people is the dishonesty regarding their belief that a anti-christ will come, Jesus will return, and the world will end in their lifetimes.
What up wit dat?
- version30
Another thing about church people is the dishonesty regarding their belief that a anti-christ will come, Jesus will return, and the world will end in their lifetimes.
What up wit dat?
Mimio
(Jun 9 05, 13:12)
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it's the same self important obsession that makes them try to convert everyone in thier pathselfishness i say
- discipler0
arinya, you are confusing the "root" with the "fruit". It's not faith + works. It's works "because of" faith. What is replete throughout the NT is the teaching that true faith in Christ produces a changed life. So, we conclude that, if someone claims to be a Christian, but their lifestyle is not consistant, we can safely conclude they were never truly saved in the first place - their faith was not a true saving faith. They never truly embraced Christ as savior. Look at these passages:
Romans 3:
"This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe."
Romans 4:
"If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about—but not before God. What does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness."
Ephesians 2:8 & 9 -
"For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— NOT BY WORKS, so that no one can boast."
Romans 3:28 -
"For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from observing the law."
arinya, faith plus anything is not faith. It nullifies what Christ did on the cross, saying his sacrifice was not good enough and that we have something to do with it. That is unscriptural.
- version30
discipler-
what about me? those are valid questions that matter because they pertain to my afterlife.
any assistance would be appreciated
but note i do not need you to tell me to accept jesus as my lord and saviour i got that part
i need to know about the other stuff i mentioned earlier
- yarsrevenge0
Suffering is not necessary. Your sado-masochism is showing a bit Mr. Xtian.
Mimio
(Jun 9 05, 13:02)
----------------------------I have no sadomachistic focus... It is just a realization about life... you can also ask why people are born metally or physically impaired or why my next door neighbor gets terminal cancer when they live a good-hearted life. These (in some cases) are not a direct result of world corruption, malevolent behavior, or deviant acts... they are a fact of life that we must endure. It is only a shame that these are the defining moments that sometimes drive people away from god rather than bring them even closer. They chose to make him at fault or an enemy. On that flip side, the ones that embrace these adversities will truly find peace and love. My neighbor was cured from this cancer literally over night. No medical doctor is going to tell me "well... people just don't die after we give them a 20% chance of living sometimes"... it's that true faith that was embraced by my neighbor that saved her when she decided to church and pray EVERY day since she was told she had this cancer.
- discipler0
Escatalogical events regarding the return of Christ, the rapture, etc... are non-essential issues with plenty of room for debate on the "when" and "how" questions. And I think God purposed it this way. He doesn't want his people to get preoccupied with date-setting, like certain cults have done in the past.
I know of no dishonesty in the church regarding these issues. Could you expound, mimio?
- Mimio0
discipler,
Talk to people(xtians) about it. The majority of them believe it's coming in their lifetimes. There is no end to the interpretations of current events as "signs" of the end times by xtian leaders. It's totally arbitrary and totally false.
- discipler0
arinya, one more good one:
John 5:24 (Jesus speaking) -
"I tell you the truth, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me HAS eternal life and will not be condemned; he has crossed over from death to life."
-----------------------------What's interesting is if you diagram this passage in the greek, the word translated "has" indicates immediate possession. The moment belief in Christ happens, eternal life is bestowed. :)
- arinya0
The scriptures you state show that yes faith comes first and is more important your right but come on! Bible clearly states: "Faith, if it does not have works, is dead in itself."—James 2:17. You need both.
- jevad0
*sigh*
- Mimio0
Discipler, Don't forget the thief on the cross. He didn't do shit and got into heaven.
- pocho0
Hey...what about dem dinosaurs...dem FREAKIN Dinosaurs!
;)
- discipler0
Mimio, there are a few Escatological positions prevalent in the Church today: Pre-tribulation, Post-tribulation, Amillenial, etc... Some posit that Christ will return for believers in this lifetime, others say he won't. It's a peripheral issue... a non-essential... a fun to chat over beer and a burger, discussion. God purposed it to be that way. I'm failing to see the issue you're making of it.
- discipler0
exactly, arinya... faith that does not produce works, is dead. :) It was never saving faith to begin with.
Faith + plus works cannot save. Do you believe the scriptures contradict themselves?
- discipler0
right on, Mimio! The thief simply placed his faith in Christ and was saved. That's exactly my point. :)
- Mimio0
I'm saying that it's intellectually dishonest and downright disturbing that a significant amount of the popluation thinks that the world is going to end in their lifetime. Was that unclear?
- arinya0
what!?!?!? Now you're kinda agreeing with me?!?!? What's wrong with you? You choose to ignore the truth of the matter that your beliefs are based on skewed thinking. Faith + work. Faith that produces work.?? You are just playing around. You are loopy. Finally I get to use NTs ignore.