Arrest him
- Started
- Last post
- 50 Responses
- Kuz0
Cactus
Yes Russia did threaten to block UN resolutions to intervene in Serbia. But this is not the sole reason NATO was used. It was strategically important to undermine Russian influence in the region in an end of itself. Somalia was a very different situation, and quite frankly, it doens't fly as an excuse for ignoring Rawanda.
oh and spin on this
*shows finger
- JazX0
Remember 'Black Hawk Down'?
- _smk0
Yup, I have a friend who fought in Kosovo - certainly not American.
He's off to Iraq this very day too, so hopefully he'll survive your Presidents war.
- CaP0
Well_____
_there's always
ETA's 1973 solution.
arriba Franco
mas alto que Carrero Blanco.
unfittoprint
(Apr 13 05, 05:27)++++
ha ha ha ha!! (although a bit extreme and not pollitically correct)...
- chossy0
what should bush listen to
The imperial march from Star Wars
Thomas Bloxham, Birminghamlol.
- Cactus0
Kuz
Your reasoning about why the US intervened in the Balkans is flawed and cynical. Yes, it is in America's interest to contain Russia, as it was in its more rapacious incarnation, the USSR. But not in the cauldon of Balkan politics. The main reasoning was to prevent the war from spreading along with (yes) an undeniable humanitain aspect._smk
The moral relativism of your post is a stark reminder of Europe's malaise in regard to what happened in both Bosnia ans Kossovo. Not being able (willing?) to differentiate between good and evil leads to paralysis and inaction. How can one summon the strength to put one's life in jeopardy for a cause or an idea if plagued by such incertitudes. We, in western Europe, live in a post heroic societies. Geopolitically, this would not be a dangerous condition if it were not for the fact that the rest of the world is playing by different rules.
- CaP0
Cactus....
what you are saying is also very, very relative. we (as "westeners") only care of "peace" and "geopolitics" and "humanitarian effects" just -sadly- when there's another reason for that. call it politics, call it $$, call it whatever you want. check this out; some time ago, but still is very, very shameful.
- JazX0
Ahhhh, there you CaP, Rwanda. Smart man ansd yes very sad. Hell it's still happening on small levels throughout West Africa and Congo Kinshasa.
- TortOise0
Uberdesigner: "...I wasn't a fan of invading Iraq, but I can see it as a step towards democratic change in the middle east. I was happy to read that the US troops will be pulling out within two years."
You are living in a dream world!
- Kuz0
oh shit Cactus, i'm sorry for being cynical. I mean fucking hell, yeah
woteva
If they were that concerned about humanitarian crisis, they wouldn't have allowed Rawanda to happen under their nose, or Sudan as it is happening now. But those are niggers, and who gives a fuck about Africans
My reasoning ain't flawed, you just got too much faith in your politricktions.
- hotreport0
The most civilized country in the world -- the Netherlands, but I would never wont to move there
- vburo0
hahaha civilized? we? hahahahahahahah oh well.
anyway, glad you don't.
and i don't mean it personal, there's hardly any green or real nature left here.. so many people, so little land.
- e-pill0
i'd like to quote:
European NTers call TVs...tubes.
But when they write that scottish shit I get fucking ...confused.
nburlington
(Apr 11 05, 19:25)
--
oi so true!
- vburo0
we call tv's televisie's...
- _smk0
good point, (though I don't entirely agree) I'm very busy right now, but will attempt to add something a bit later :)
- _smk0
that was to Cactus btw.
//Kuz's talking shite obviously :)
- Cactus0
CaP
I don't understand your point. Are you saying Rwanda was caused by Western indiffernce? By a failure to intervene? If so, you are just articulating another tiresome refrain of the White Man's Burden.And contrary to the prevailing wisdom, money is not the root cause of most conficts. Human emotions are what drive people to kill each other in large numbers. Economics only plays a small part in this sad story.
- Kuz0
Economics only plays a small part in this sad story.
Cactus
(Apr 13 05, 06:40)
====================
I think you need a lesson in Marxist discourse.Is you telling me, if the Balkans were in Africa, and Rawanda was in Europe, events would have played out just the same as they did in the 90s?
WRONG!
- CaP0
i know, Kuz... and it's a simple reason: nothing valuable there, not politically, not economically. wait until somebody find's oil in Rwanda or something, then "humanitarian reason" will surge just like that precious black gold.
it gave me the creeps...
-"If we use the word "genocide" and are seen doing nothing, what will be the effect on the November Congressional elections?"
and
- "Be careful," they said. "Legal at State was worried about this yesterday -- a Genocide finding could commit the U.S. government to actually do something." according to the 1948 Genocide Convention, signed also by USA.
- CaP0
i know, Kuz... and it's a simple reason: nothing valuable there, not politically, not economically. wait until somebody find's oil in Rwanda or something, then "humanitarian reason" will surge just like that precious black gold.
it gave me the creeps...
-"If we use the word "genocide" and are seen doing nothing, what will be the effect on the November Congressional elections?"
and
- "Be careful," they said. "Legal at State was worried about this yesterday -- a Genocide finding could commit the U.S. government to actually do something." according to the 1948 Genocide Convention, signed also by USA.