Libs & Xmas
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- discipler0
Some reputable scientists who are creationists:
Dr. Henry Morris (Biologist)
Dr. Hugh Ross (Cosmologist)
Leonardo Da Vinci (hydraulics)
James Joul (Reversible Thermodynamics)
Lord Kelvin (Energetics)
Gregor Mendel (Genetics)
Norman Geisler (Apologist)To name just a few. The list is vast.
Of course who believes or doesn't believe something doesn't validate or invalidate the belief.
- Mimio0
Just compare them objectively. The evolutionary model has produced insight into almost every discipline of biology. What insight has creationism provided? What connections has it drawn?
It's fruitless.
- bk_shankz0
These threads are like a big couch soaking in gasoline in the middle of college campus. Here comes the naked dude with the torch. Ha!
- ********0
Mendel?? Da Vinci?? Kelvin?
wot??
since you're using dead scientists to prove that "increasing" number believe in creationism, therefore - it would be better to say - a decreasing number of scientists believe in creationism
- discipler0
Kuz, you have there some mis-info. It get's really in-depth regarding closed and non-closed systems at this point. Regarding entropy, that is. A discussion far too depthy for here and now. If you you'd like to have a more exhaustive discussion on this, my email is in my profile. To be sure, it is foolishness to argue that transitional forms have been found. There have not been. And any reputable Evolutionist will admit to this. This in particular, is a devastating blow to the evolutionairy belief.
- discipler0
No, I listed several living scientists in there. And there are scores of them today and more and more. They are increasing in number as the errors in evolution gain more exposure. Get your facts straight, Kuz.
- Blofeldt0
I'm sorry but i don't agree with you. We are approaching this from two fundamentally different viepoints.
I'd argue, that I am happy that we do not know the origin of life on earth, but rather than entertain the belief that everything was created for us and leave it at that, i'd like to find another possibility.
I believe the fundamental problem with religion, is that if people were satisfied with what religon taught them regarding the world and what surrounded them, we would still be living in mud huts.
Why work things out for yourself rather than try and improve. This is where our arguments really collied. Despite all the eveidence to contrary, that follows the same process driven analysis as other science, you believ that the eart is only 4500 years old. A claim that made Kansas the laughing stock of the world in 1929! And you're still arguing it! And what about storms, people used to believe they came when they didn't please god, but it's accepted that they are caused by weather.
I'd like to say i'd see you in heaven, but as we're just an animal, we'll rot in the ground like insects, dogs, trees and everything else.
- unfittoprint0
and of course that statement about the law of thermodynamics is an half truth at the best.
wich doesn't surprise me, coming from someone who believes 'the good book' is actually a good book.
- ********0
I have there no mis-info. But fine, if you don't feel able to discuss it. I dont really care. But i'll quote something just for cos i'm bored
"there are many examples in nature where order does arise spontaneously from disorder: Snowflakes with their six-sided crystalline symmetry are formed spontaneously from randomly moving water vapor molecules. Salts with precise planes of crystalline symmetry form spontaneously when water evaporates from a solution. Seeds sprout into flowering plants and eggs develop into chicks.
Thermodynamics is an exact science that is based on a limited number of specific mathematical concepts. It is not explainable in terms of qualitative metaphors. In order to understand the relationship between probability and the second law, the reader must be familiar with the relationship between probability and entropy. Entropy is a mathematically defined entity which is the fundamental basis of the second law of thermodynamics and all of its engineering and physical chemistry ramifications. "
- ********0
Umm yes u did put up some living scientists. But also quite a few deadones. Including one who lived about 400 years ago. Might as well put up Newton there
- discipler0
Mimio, no doubt that studies pertaining to micro evolutionairy adaptations are examples of good science and have been beneficial. I'm speaking of species to species evolution which most people blindly buy into without knowing many of the facts. The latter has not had anything beneficial to offer the human race. In contrast, it has devalued human life and dignity. It has spawned the notion of relative truth and morality. It suggests that man is no better and to be esteemed no higher than a creature crawling on all fours. The sociological impact this belief has had is tragic to say the least.
- ********0
i gotta go. happy whatever.
- xaoscontrol0
you guys are seriously harshing my holiday season....take it to:
http://www.yayhooray.com/threads…
I hope Prancer gives you a special Yule Log.
- ********0
if you don't know better than to argue with someone who refers to themselves as a "creationist" then you are unaware of the mentally disabled. please treat them with care (ie. yep, okey dokey, suuuurrree, gotta run, I'm out the door!)
- Mimio0
I don't know Discipler, is it any less miraculous and amazing that humans evolved from other ape-like mammals? We have so much in common with apes it's hard to deny we are somehow related.
- Blofeldt0
Ta daaa! Here you go. You don't like the idea of being associated with a lovavble chimp, or a disnctly unlovable amemba.
You are starting to through in arguments based around morality.
Now, if you're argument is,"I believe that the association to Animals is devaluing to humans because .. " That's a SOCIAL argument, not a scientific or even a theogical one.
You are trying to piggy back your proof of god with Quasie science at best.
PS, mightas well chuck Galilo in there too. He changed his ideas when the church threatend to kill him and then put him under house arrest.
Add Darwin too, his was very religious until his vouage on the Beagle, and then was so troubled by his thoughts he put off printing origin of the species for years.
- Blofeldt0
ciao
- Spix0
xmas has never been about Jesus.
- xaoscontrol0
and this discussion was not intended to be about christmas.
assclowns!!!
- gruntt0
me likem' presents - isn't that what this thread is about?