Bring your guns
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- iDp0
That is a good argument kezza and I totally agree, problem is ... bad guys already have them ... bad guys dont register them ... good guys often do. So how would the gov start eliminating them? It will never happen.
- Gilt0010
Uh, how easy would it be to take a couple of pot shots at a 737 taking off from an airport access road? Uh really easy. Would a high powered rifle do damage? Yeah! Could some psycho do that. Thanks to the gun lobbyists in Virginia, yeah, its freakin easy as hell!
Screw anybody with a gun near an airport.
- iDp0
Gilt - what you think they clear out 500 yards away from any school...airports arent even protected that far now, shit in Vegas you could shoot jetliners from your hotel room in Mandalay Bay. So this rule doesnt effect that at all.
- Gilt0010
So then my lack of faith in man and all his "full of shit" governments is well founded then!
Nah, I understand there's nothing they can do. Moot point.
- kezza_20
They are doing it in Brazil, a place with a lot more baddies than america...Just put people in jail who have them, then law abiding citizens would have nothing to worry about
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world…
The argument that it would just be too difficult, doesn't wash with me frankly. It seemd to be happening a lot these days...We can't tackle AIDS it would be too difficult, the implementation of the Kyoto treaty is too difficult etc... all rathe sad
- toe-knee0
If you allow people to have guns in an airport carpark, you are also allowing thugs to have them, which multiplies your chances of getting carjacked. I think its a crock of shit to be honest, and the whole 'its my right as a citizen' has carried on from the wild west cow hustling days and theres no need for it in todays civalised society.
(Im feeling preachy today, sorry)
The US is encouraging Iraqis to surrender their arms, why can ye do it on yer own soil.
- toe-knee0
How about this, everyone who surrenders a none registered fire arm gets a down payment on a new Ford Focus, therefore illimnating car jacking and guns.
- mbr0
Just to clarify, it IS our right as American citizens to bear arms, as in Constitutional Rights. If we start taking away those, then there will eventually be limited freedom. See where I am going?
Personally, I am all for the right to carry a concealed weapon, assuming you get licensed to do so. And as far as I know, most states it is illegal for your weapon to be visible (you can imagine the fear and chaos it'd cause).
That said, I see no reason why peope should carry guns near an airport, unless they are transporting them. If they are, then they must be in a concealed and unaccessible part of the car (like the trunk), and not loaded. They also are required to notify the authorities of the possession.
Va's law seems a little f'd up. I can imagine the law that you are required to license a concealed weapon and not an exposed one was from the 1800s. How and why they eased their regulations based on the pressure of some expremist red necks is beyond me.
Just one more example of the folks that are going to vote for Bush. I never meet any, but this is proof that they are out there, and they are obnoxious.
- kezza_20
I right to carry something that can kill strikes me as a bit of an oxymoron
- Gilt0010
How about this, everyone who surrenders a none registered fire arm gets a down payment on a new Ford Focus, therefore illimnating car jacking and guns.
toe-knee
(oct 7 04, 16:58)Tony you're a freakin' genius!!
And yeah the whole things crap. "Right to bear arms" uh yeah, anyone want to venture a guess as to when that was put into action. (hint: muzzle loaders equaled new tech)
- iDp0
yeah I like that idea tony.
What does it really matter when the 'Right to bear arms' laws were established? Does it still hold water today...I think so, you may not. I agree with mbr, we should not relinquish our rights. This case of letting folks bring it to airport carparks is not all that big of a deal to me. I personally don't see why someone would even want to bring a gun there, but its really not my right or place to limit someone elses rights to do so unless it in some way effects my own personal rights.
I mean seriously what more danger does it put you in as a citizen if someone lawfully brings a weapon into a carpark. It's funny because everyone jumps to a conclusion that a person who wants to bring a weapon anywhere is a loon who just might snap and open fire on innocent people...well then why the fuck do we let people drive into airports since they could just as easily turn their car into a killing machine?
- DutchBoy0
eh..... that doesn't make any sense, iDp... it really doesn't. i'm sorry.
that's just plain naive.
- iDp0
which part? haha
- Meeklo0
I can't believe what I'm reading in this thread..
This is so sad.. Im trying to understand it but I can't. Am I the only one here that is watching the big picture here?
I guess it's all a matter on how people are raised in this world, their circle of friends, family, the violence that are being exposed to as a child.
I can't seem to find another explanation.
How can anyone think that you can "feel safer" by having a gun at home? safer from what? from who? Why do you live in this paranoia state?.
Picture this, Typical family, mother, father, and 2 kids.
What will happen if for any reason one of the kids put his innocent hands on the gun inside the locker, finds the bullets loads the gun and just playing, ends up shooting her sister (we all know this has happned before) now picture you, as a man of the family, wouldnt you give anything in the world, to make time go back and get rid of that gun before that accident happens? Do you still think it was safer to have a gun at home?The world needs to understand that a gun is made to kill. Not to make you feel safer.
Why the same people that think having a weapon at home its for safety only? but then when we hear another country has a nuclear bomb, we need to make that country get rid of it? why?
According to that way of thinking, that country is exercising their right to have a waepon "for protection" right?
Im glad to hear that hear that in brazil that law came out, and I hope it get enforced with all the strenght of the law.
For anyone that think that guns are for safety, I will recomend them to watch "city of god" and pay attention to what has happened in brazil when inside the favelas, it was very easy to get a gun, even if you where 8 years old.
Peace
- iDp0
Meeklo I totally understand what you are saying. City of Gods was a crazy ass movie. I wouldn't keep a gun at home if I had a kid first of all. But heres a little story, so about a year ago I was sleeping and my roommates mother who was visiting was outside on our porch having a smoke, mind you she doesnt see well without her glasses on and this guy walks up mumbling some shite, she didnt even see where he was until he was about five feet from her. She ran inside and locked the door as this guy fell against the door. Woke me and my roommate up and I went to talk to the guy...who was at this point trying to get into our home. Turned out he was drunk but he started yelling at me to let him in. If the guy had a gun I'm telling you he was drunk and pissed off enough (for who knows what reason) to do god knows what. Fortunately after informing him calmly that I was armed and I was calling the police if he didn't leave now, he left.
The situation could have been different...I'm not saying for sure that it would have but it could have been very different if he got to the door before my roommates mom, if he had a gun and if he didn't get scared becuase I had one.
I keep one because of situations like these. You are right...guns are made for one thing, and I am totally aware of that. I don't go to ranges and target practice for fun, I go maybe twice a year so that I am familiar with it and I won't accidentally shoot myself if I ever needed to use it. But I keep firearms incase someone gives me no chance to diffuse a situation in my own home. It's really easy to think that there is always a way out of things, I've been in a situation before where there was no way out and I know how that feels. I used to feel that I could always diffuse anger, avoid it somehow but sometimes that is not the case. I'm not trying to make you side with me or see my point of view, its your right to decide what is best for you. That's all we can do in life.
- toe-knee0
Indeed, having guns is the problem, not the solution. In ireland it is illegal to carry a gun, period. most cimes are commited by herroin addicts brandishing seringes, point being that thugs will use whatever is available to them. The only gun you are aloud to have is a shotgun for hunting, and strangly enough, nearly all gun related crimes are made using sawn off shotguns, not revolvers. Which proves the point that whats in circulation is whats abused. Try concelling a 4 foot double barreled shotgun from someone.
Also in america you are not aloud to drink alcohol from an expose container, only from a brown paper bag... Has that stopped kids from drinking?? No. Proving the point again that by hiding something doesnt make it go away, the problem still exsists. But a can of budweiser cant kill someone for 200 feet.
I love USA by the way, I just think is too fucken big and theres alot of extremists pushing important buttons.
Im off sick today hence the long posts, daytime tv sucks balls
- toe-knee0
Theres alot of ifs in that story idp. And I dont think telling a drunk that you are going to shoot him unless he clears off is 'defusing the situation"
- lowimpakt0
most cimes are commited by herroin addicts brandishing seringes,
toe-knee
(oct 7 04, 17:58)
----------------------------whens the last time you have been home? didn't you know that most crimes are now commited by senior gardai, ex fianna failure ministers, current fianna failure ministers, property developers, the PD's in general and priests.
- iDp0
see my point...now it turns into me telling a drunk I'm going to shoot him?? Ok well then I guess ironically he just decided to leave when I mentioned that fact. Or if you are implying that me informing a guy that I was armed behind that door he was trying to get into isn't defusing the situation then let me know what it is.
- toe-knee0
ha, indeed. I read that the first person to be fired for smoking in a public place was a TD in the Dail bar. Fucken cowboys.