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- BonSeff0
hmm nice speech but no mention of paying back the chinese yet..
- BonSeff0
fuckin van halen!
im touched
- mg330
Nader is like the big scab you get on your knee as an 8 year old when you crash your bicycle real hardcore doing a jump for the first time:
Great to talk about to your friends and impress them with, but in the end it's just an irritating distraction you just want to go away.
- monkeyshine0
ha! nice analogy, mg. I thought you were going to say " in the end it's just an irritating distraction that you want to pick off and eat."
eeeww. who said that?!
- mrdobolina0
a vote for nader is a symbolic vote onl even if the world went bizarro, nader wouldnt get anything done without senators and reps on his team. he wouldnt get a damn thing done and would fuck it up for other 3rd party candidates. If you want to make a change, vote for 3rd party congressmen, that is the only way that could ever work.
- slag_you_off0
Im not american, so maybe I shouldn't comment, but....
Ultimately you are in a 2 party system, and each party fundamentally isn't that different. Both have the best interest of America at heart, whatever that entails. America is run by corporations, ergo both parties would try to please big business, so voting for either isnt that different.
It seems to me as an outsider, that it is all about voting for the bloke you like the most. Hence all this party conventions, where you wheel out character references like war vets. and wives.
Anywhere in the world where you have a 2 party system, personality politics seems to be the order of the day, not what is behind those personalities...
I think most western elections whether the UK, Australia or the US, is primarily all about maintaining the status quo, not rocking the boat too much. Who ever gets in will only ever be able to change the direction of about 2% of policy decisions, because at the end of the day Nike or GAP dont want some loon coming in with ideas of social change.
Hence the reason most western democracies only register about 50% turn out. Most people including me, know that what ever happens it's just the same old crap.
- mrdobolina0
black people and women didnt used to be able to vote in our country, kezza. and now they can, we used to have slaves, now we have black owners of milti-million dollar corporations. Id say those are all changes for the good. social change doesnt happen overnight.
- mrdobolina0
also, that defeatist attitude is what keeps the status quo going.
- slag_you_off0
you got me there, but wether that was all changed through a collective social conciousness of right and wrong, or though a good president...I'd go for the former. Sure there have been great social changers around the world, but very few were leaders, most were lobbists.
Hell, women used to be able to have abortions in america, give him a second term...
Homosexuals used to have social rights...ve him a second term...
like I said though, neither will rock the boat. Id vote for Joan Rivers
- warheros0
18 million out of 300 million citizens voted on the last election. nowhere near 50%, for here anyways.
you guys are all professional politicals, you seem to know all the answers. not saying i do.
you cant sway my opinion on nader because of your opinions. id still rather vote for him than bush or kerry.
anyone watch the DNC tonight?
i read that Kerry's old vet friends arent really even friends with him? haha. and that whole throwing his purple hearts at the white house and now he's preaching about how he loves america, how excellent of his character.