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- JazX0
- k0na_an0k0
I see change in his party. Years from now Nader and Camejo's effort will be remembered with Upton Sinclair's "End Poverty in California" campaign for governor of California and with the presidential efforts of Norman Thomas, Henry Wallace, Eugene Debs and Bob LaFollette. They will be remembered as men who fought to make this a better democracy. Plus, like I said, I like his stance on a lot of his issues and I agree with the direction he'd like to see America go.
- Kuz0
UK too needs a fucking revoluton. The whole damn fucking globe needs a revolution. And not just a series of national revolutions. A fuckin global revolution. A uniting of the global multitude tearing down the bureaucratic state.
Workers of the world unit (or some such stuff) :)
- mg330
Good point Kuz.
- fingercore0
Nader isn't that great of a candidate this year. Him running as an independent means that there is no party that would be otherwise benifit and gain popularity or ground. In addition, there is something anti-democratic about the way he simply elected himself "independent."
Cobb is a better suited candidate if you are interested in leftist/green politics.
While I won't be voting for Kerry, I don't necessarily thumb my nose at those who do. Bush has been very successful in reversing many of the social and labor strides that this country has made. Kerry is by no means a friend to the majority of the country, but unlike Bush, if given enough pressure, he will budge on certain issues.
- unfittoprint0
interesting, k0na_an0k.
- JazX0
far enough Kuz. There have been other parties that have had power in the History of the US. The Whig Party for one: http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.c… I look at it very much the same as the Independents. They didn't just rise up in a single day.
- mg330
- fingercore0
But in terms of Kerry as a candidate...
The fact that he isn't proposing a universal healthcare plan is appalling. But of course I wouldn't expect either a Republican/Democrat to institute such a plan as they both see the market as the highest order or economic control.
But it seems that without universal healthcare (amongst other publicly-funded programs), the country could never claim to be a TRUE democracy. A right to a healthy living seems so fundamental.
Public pressure seems to be nowhere near as strong as it should be, and it's probably do to the fact that a stigma of "communism" revolves around any publicly-funded programs. "Big Government" is another term thrown around. Taxes wouldn't even need to be raised if they were diverted from the overbloated military.
- tank0
SHOPLIFTERS OF THE WORLD UNITE
- Kuz0
PAPERCLIPS OF THE WORLD UNITE!
- STB0
Ralph Nader is the guy who is getting only right-wing Republicans to sign his petitions to get on ballots. He is at best a two position canidate and though I respect him as a consumer advocate there is no way I'd want him running our country. He would truly polarize this country. Wait, I am assuming more than 3% of the US even cares about Nader.
John Kerry is a good man. He supposrts women's rights, civil rights and fiscal responsiblity. He will be a good president for the United States and hopefully make my country not seen as arrogant asshole cowboys.
- STB0
fingercore: Kerry can't propose a univeral healthcare plan for two reasons. It wouldn't pass the congress (yet) and he couldn't pay for it (yet). I think universal healthcare is a phase two issue. We are owing Japan and China over a trillion dollars. Once we get that debt paid off then healtchare can be addressed.
However in the short-term a plan for prescription drugs and very affordable health insurance is a start (and realistic!).
- mrdobolina0
I agree with you STB. Nader is a good consumer advocate and that is all I really know about him.
- mrdobolina0
Am I missing it, or is there no mention of defense, iraq or terrorism on nader's web site?
- k0na_an0k0
Kerry IS Bush... just not with a Texan accent., for instance, they both supported the war in Iraq (although Kerry believes Bush is mishandling matters and would like 20,000 more troops in the region), and both supported the Patriot Act (arguably the worst attack on civil liberties this country has seen in the last half-century). Both opposed the Kyoto Accords, which would have begun to address global warming, and both supported the World Trade Organization agreements, which subjugate our national and local interests to international commercial ones. Neither supports gay marriage, and even concerning the abortion question, Kerry says he'll appoint anti-abortion judges to the federal courts (but he says he'll make sure they don't want to repeal Roe v. Wade).
- lowimpakt0
cue Scooby Doo mask-pulling scene.
'Who is the the real GW Bush. Gaaaasssssp Joooohn Kerryyyyy'
- tim5250
My vote is for k0na!
- jevad0
oh look - another fucking thread about politics!
w00t!
- Kuz0
oh look - jevad!
w00t! ;)