_Passion of Christ_
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- Retro0
I'm actually not a christian laurus.
And you're taking what i meant about jews owning the film industry out of proportion with your "im a jew and i don't own a film studio" comment. I meant a large proportion of Producers/Directors etc. in Hollywood are jews. Ofcourse "some" of them deserve to be there.
The rest of your reply was basically off course in regards to the link i originally posted in which my initial frustration and anger was really based on.
- ********0
i don't have anything against Buddhism, Christianity, Confucianism, Hinduism, Islam, Jainism,
Judaism, Shinto, Sikhism, Taoism , Vodun, Druidism, Wicca, Caodaism, Gnosticism, Atheism, Satanism, Goths, Objectivism,BUT..
- clint0
jesus is a weirdo, don't trust him...
- laurus0
'Ofcourse "some" of them deserve to be there. '
Thanks retro, you are too kind.
- xrusos0
Please post your thoughts after you've seen it here.
laurus, way to lay the smack down! the article retro pointed out was sad, but his tact left much to be desired.
- deepanal0
did jesus live his whole life with out knowing what it's like to make out with girls?
- punch0
Hi. I am amazed at how much discussion this movie is generating here. What can I
say? The Passion is indeed one of the stranger anomalies to arise in the film industry in recent times.I saw the flick on opening night so I'll post my reactions.
First thing I'd like to address is the issue of whether 'The Passion' is propaganda, art, both or neither.
Consider this 1. Gibson made this movie with his won resources (around 30 million bucks) 2. This movie is a deeply personal expression of his spirituality and it seems he was not tailoring it to any specific consumer demographic 3. hence the controversy around the movie. No distributers would touch it except for a rather obscure one, Newmarket. Yet the man persevered nonetheless 4. he was faithful to his origional vision of the film.... despite all of the bad press and lobbying by the ADL 5. He managed to have the likes of Monica Belucci trained in 1st century aramaic, quite the feat 6. a truly avante-garde movie full of extreme violence, creepy supernaturalism, and accurate historical reconstruction has been hailed by the majority of the bible belt and fundie xtians in North America
Conclusion: the film is a work of art.
Now for the BLOOD.
Catholics and Jews who have a deep understanding of thier religious roots know what this is all about.
Consider the passover meal (last supper). The last supper is a jewish ritual to commemerate the Hebrew deliverance in Egypt from the Angel of Death. Hebrew families took a lamb, prepared it for a meal, and marked their doorposts with the blood so that they might be spared the Death.
At Jesus' passover meal, he drew a symbolic analogy between his own impending 'slaughter' and the lamb of the Passover. That is why he said, "this is my Body, this is my Blood'. The apostles weren't cannibal's, they were being told that their Master was going to be the new Lamb of the Passover and a new deliverance of humanity from Death.
Later in the film, notice that when Jesus is tortured, blood is being spattered everywhere and on everyone. People naively assume that this is just gratuitous pornographic violence. No, what it is expressing is that the 'lamb's' blood is being shed on all humanity, even the sadisitc roman brutes who get it square in the face. This two hour sanguinary mosaic is a metaphore as well as a documentation.
The name of Gibson's production company, 'Icon' reveals what he is ultimately trying to do here: paint an icon in real flesh and blood. It is a 21st century version of medieval
christian iconography and he does it well. The blood and gore is a backdrop for our thoughts, he gives us time (lots of time) to reflect on the meaning of the violence. He not making a movie with the stale, boring hollywood template, no, this movie is mpore in line with the challenging and thought provoking films of Tarkovsky (Andrei Rublev, Stalker) and Bergman (Seventh Seal). So sorry if people were not sufficiently 'entertained'.This movie is truly avante-garde and breaks new ground in cinematography. I could go on for pages here so I'll end with this:
Love the movie/hate the movie, whatever. At least admit that Gibson hasn't insulted our intelligence.
- xrusos0
thanks for your review punch.
and for all of you that thought only christians liked the movie...
i saw a show on the history channel this weekend with 2 christians (by heritage anyway) and a 1 jewish guy.
the two christians were really hard on the movie, critical and all. the jewish guy said it was amazing and he couldn't believe that out of that group he was the one defending gibson and the movie. he said everyone should see it (minus children). irony.
- xrusos0
and TF and loudubs... did you guys see it this weekend? i'm pumped for your reviews!
- ********0
Without patience there can be no real self-denial, nor true submission to the will of God in adversity; nor contentment in every state; nor thankfulness for every mercy; it is what accompanies every grace, as faith, hope, and love; hence we read of "the work of faith, and labour of love, and patience of hope," as together in the same persons, remembered by the apostle (1 Thess. 1:3), and to the exercise of every grace this of patience is to be added (2 Pet. 1:5,6), and this, with other graces, is to be eagerly pursued, closely followed after, and constantly exercised (1 Tim. 6:11), it is so necessary in the things of God, that one a stranger to this grace, as Tertullian[1] observes, cannot undertake to perform any command, nor do any work that is acceptable to the Lord. Concerning which may be inquired,
- xrusos0
i get the picture loudubs. i'll wait. ;)
- defender0
One of the best movies I've seen.
- ********0
there's another thread on this isn't there?
- cirrus0
Mathematics is the language of nature. Everything around us can be represented and understood through numbers.
12:50.
Press Return.
- slinky0
TF, where ya at? review time
- slinky0
still waiting on the official TF review
- ********0
holy shit, i didn't know there were cars in this movie!
- Mal0
Every principle is a judgment, every judgment the outcome of experience, and experience is only acquired by the exercise of the senses; whence it follows that religious principles bear upon nothing whatever and are not in the slightest innate. Ignorance and fear, you will repeat to them, ignorance and fear -- those are the twin bases of every religion.
- Bluejam0
"Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no substitute for a good blaster at your side."
Han Solo