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- rabattski0
there are also black lambs, as well as brown lambs. could also be a typo in the bible.
- mrdobolina0
skin of bronze and hair of wool. thats a black man.
- Mr_Jump0
Ah, safe. I thought the wool reference was to "whiteness" of a lambs wool. not hair. Might not mean he's exactly BLACK, but def not white. Cos i got the bronze skin and nappy hair, but i aint black - im a Paki innit...
bo'
- rabattski0
yo. he was down with opp.
- ********0
excellent! Mal
I could never follow a god who encourages rape of virgins and murder.
"Kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man by lying with him. But all the young girls who have not known man ... , keep alive for yourselves."
[Moses, relaying God's orders to his people, Numbers 31:17-18]
Mal
(mar 9 04, 10:22)
- ********0
theolgian in the house // Jesus was aramaic > olive skin // nethier black or white > we find that writers depicted him their own image hence different and contradicting accounts of his looks. We all know Jesus existed as it is chronicled in non religious books as well as the bible, quran, and even the vedas (hindu holy text) > BUT his version of Christianity is not what we see today!!! Organised religion BAD !!! Christianity is slowly but surely dissappearing while Islam keeps spreading due to conversions and birth rate!!! The west will be taken > thats why all organised religion should be banned!!! it's another 'ism' and should not be allowed in civilised evolved society > we can be spiritual without believing in fairy tales.....I can go on, but I shall spare you....
- Mimio0
Lot's two daughters speaking...
Genesis 19:32
"Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father."
Incestus is bestus.
- vwsung18t0
God and religion is something that Man created. Man isn't without fault. So God or at least the idea of God isn't without fault. I'm not sure where i heard that one but just wanted to mention it.
about the shroud, i don't think it really matters at all if Jesus was real or not. growing up, i've always believed that the story of Jesus was not real, it was just a story like Adam and Eve.
the violence was there only to show that Jesus went through a lot for us. That was Mel's intention. simple as that.
I think satan looked dumb especially at the end when Jesus died and Satan wig blew off, so much humiliation at once for him.
I wasn't sure about the baby. what did that mean? i'm thinking it's the antichrist. was it to show that it was coming?
about Jesus' sex life: there's books about the 30 years of Jesus' life that's not mentioned in the Bible. That he married Mary Magdalene. Also about Jesus' brother or sister. Mary supposedly had children after Jesus.
overall as a movie, i didn't like the approach Mel took with the movie, making it so stylize and all those slow motion scene to make thing dramatic. I wish he made it more realistic. more like it was really happening like a documentary than a hollywood movie. i think the violence would've looked more real and the message would've gotten across more effectively instead of being forced upon the viewer.
- xaoscontrol0
I've managed to read every post in this thread and while I've yet to see the movie (and I will post again after I have), I have to comment. ( though this needs to eventually go to another thread).
Mimio. You should put more thought into your statement about freewill and God's omnipotence. I don't see how you can say that God created man so they could go to hell. You've created an open equation and an assumed answer by jumping from God's omnipotence to his/her/it's creation of man knowing that they're going to hell.
Can you proove to me that x - y = z?
If you've done your research, you will understand.
God didn't make man imperfect. MAN made man imperfect. Jesus was born to be sacrificed in order to redeem the effect of man's imperfacetion. However, initially, man was close to perfect...that tree of knowledge thing messed all of that up. God doesn't allow the creation of human life with intent for them to go to hell. God doesn't randomly "make bad things happen to go people" for the mere pleasure of it. Those who use that statement or something similar to it,typically don't understand the religion they stomp on. God gave man a brain and the will to use it.
Blood god? The only blood god is the one that exists in your brain. Your brain weighs 3 lbs....which falls very short of God's omnipotence.
- Mimio0
XaosControl,
I think the biblical universal view is based on the false dilemma of original sin. That's the main point being made. The whole blood god statement was made to address the theological idea that Jesus was a sacrifice to cover Adams sin. Perfect blood to cover perfect blood, all this in order to satiate the biblical god's bloodlust and legalism. Sorry that's difficult for you to undersatnd.
- jakeyj0
adam and eve were not perfect, they were innocent - there's a big difference
- Mr_Jump0
Fuckin hell, I've said this before, i'll say it again. Mimios proper smart.... dont mess
- xaoscontrol0
Oh, I'm going to deny Mimio's intelectual fortitude one bit. He's made some great thought-provoking comments.
I'll do this..I'll let go of the Blood God statement. Admittedly, I misunderstood it though the misunderstanding was based on other sttements you had made. My bad. I'll accept my vaguesness with the adam and eve perfection statement. Innocent yes...I'll agree. I strongly disagree that Jesus was a sacrifice to cover Adam's sin. It was a sacrifice to cover mankind's sin. Adam payed for his, really. Eve did as well(menstration, PMS, painful childbirth). That's my understanding.
Please clarify the false dilemma of original sin. I've heard it before from another source but I want to see you're on that same page.
Please dont' take this a comdemnation..I'm not questioning your intellect or intelligence.
- ********0
Can't wait to see it. Just one more week...
- mrdobolina0
you honestly believe in Adam and Eve?
- ********0
Nope, I don't. But I guess you weren't asking me...
- xaoscontrol0
I'd say so, yes. I have no qualm in saying that I'm a believer.
I'm not one that will shove christianity down the throat of the non-believer. There is a right way and a wrong way. It's the latter kind of christians that do it the wrong way, in my mind and as a result make it more difficult for the christians who can spread the word in the right way.
- Mimio0
Like anything, this depends on interpretation.
Genesis 3:15
"And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel."Not only is this the first "prophesy" of the bible it's spoken to Satan directly after the god passes judgement on Adam & Eve. To me this implies Jesus was the answer to Adam's disobedience and Satan's introduction of sin to mankind.
- mrdobolina0
Imagine if it was Adam and Steve. OMG
- planet010
As a fellow Christian, I would have to say that I too believe in Adam and Eve. As rediculous as it sounds to modern ears I can perhaps believe because of the reality of what I have experienced in my relationship with Jesus. Every year we hear of biblical towns and events lining up with modern day discoveries. I guess the Bible has proved quite accurate thus far, historically and event wise. I trust it.