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- grafiske0
Exactly, it takes more than being exposed to art with that content, it takes seeing your parents, your peers smoke since day one, it takes 500 billboards and 6 thousand magazine ads filled with beautiful people, it takes websites, it takes brainwashing and social trends to get to the point where it is "okay" to kill yourself on the street and in front of your children. It's not okay.
- grafiske0
I've also seen movies that are about saving the world, with people that were far more good looking than your average world-saver.
They are called actors and not many people (not me in particular, I put character in front of utter beauty) like ugly ones.
- Mimio0
People aren't completely bereft of themselves quite yet. People are free agents of their own lives. If people want to abuse substances to the point of their own deaths, that's their business. If you're an addictive personality, have the sense to seek treatment. Don't shoot the messenger is all I'm saying.
- grafiske0
I would never think of such a thing, nor would I even think less of the person who started this thread for doing what he did.
It is all situational. Some people have to do things in certain times. I am not one to judge.
We are free agents, but we are also effected by marketing, and not to many of us have the choice to live in the woods free of any media we may not want to see.
We take a piss, it's there, turn on the TV, go to a website, drive your car, you name, we all know.
We are free agents and so were the native americans, who also smoked, but I am rather certain that if there was a scientist then that told them it would kill them before they needed to die, they would have stopped, unless another one came along with some fucked up plan to ignore that fact and kill them anyway so he could make more money and hire people to chase down buffalo for him.
GREED.
- Mimio0
I don't think anyone is living under the delusion that drinking alchohol or smoking tobacco is healthy.
- DigitalMe0
I have found this to be a very interesting thread and while there have been some good points made here, both ways, I'm left with a number of questions.
For those against taking tobacco money, I wonder how far your ideals extend. Would you do work for Kraft or Nabisco knowing that they're are part of a tobacco dynasty?
Those who would take tobacco money. Would you do design work for a chemical company that polluted ground water, or something, and gave children horrible diseases?
For both sides - What about co's like McDonalds and KFC who have negative impact on public helth. An impact, I might add, that rivals that of cigarettes.
Ultimately, and obviously, the only true cause of death is birth. So what about a K-mart or a WalMart. if you knew they used child labor in 3rd world countries, would you do work for them?
good thread!
- mrdobolina0
Grafiske, would you do work for a liquor company? That destroys more lives than just the users, ya know?
- Mimio0
Good Points DigitalMe,
My answer is... if people abuse something they should accept those consequences and not blame producers. If I ate McDonalds everyday, and I become a huge fat person with heart disease, I should be willing to accept the result of my bad habits.
- unknown0
as it happens im just designing an anti smoking site for a uk charity.
Id rather do that.
- Meeklo0
if they pay.. why not?
its just like anyother joband if you dont do it, somebody else will.
- grafiske0
I know someone else will do it, and they can feel shitty about, not me.
Indirectly supporting these companies is something that I would try to avoid, but would be much less adiment (sp?) about it than the actual company.
If I did more research than what I know now, things might change, but for now, I will stick with the enemy that I know and hate.
As far as chemicals, and other things mentioned... it would all depend, cigarette companies are so clear cut: MARKET DEATH
Other things are more questionable and no one capitolizes on cancer as much as these companies.
Alcohol is something I don't do, but understand when others do it. I never understood cigarettes.
People die from drunk drivers, but once again, you add degrees of seperation... it changes.
- monkeyshine0
Good questions, DigitalMe. Personally, no, I wouldn't work for any company I knew to be connected to RJ Reynolds or any other tobacco company.
...and that's the thing: its personal. Everyone decides based upon their own values. I've also declined jobs at companies who did drug testing because I think its reprehensible and invasive unless what I do impacts the lives of others.
I wish everyone felt the way I do cause that would bring about change (and of course I think I'm right!) but, in the end, thank god, not everyone thinks like me. :)
- monNom0
EVERYBODY has a moral responsibility, not just designers...
Sure, some other person may come along and take the work, but that doesn't mean you should lower YOUR standards to match those of somebody else.
Change comes from within.
If everybody had the courage of their convictions, the world would be a much better place.
- mrdobolina0
what about the millions of people who's convictions are to smoke cigarettes and drink whiskey?
- monNom0
well, they'll be dead sooner, then us high-falootin' told-ya-sos can dance on their sclerotic livered, carcinoma'd graves!
- grafiske0
Brilliant point, monNom.
- mrdobolina0
holy, arent you?
- grafiske0
Sometimes people don't act on their convictions because they are afraid of ridicule, or being made a satire.
- unknown0
smokers are stupid idiots
designers working for the tabacco man is even worse
what you gon' do, change their image? make it look cleaner?
I despise that shit