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- ********0
advertising seduces the ignorant then? It's your own fault if you die from ciggs.
- ********0
..unless you lived when it was sold as healthy.
- unknown0
So you look at the people your communicating with as fools, isn't that a bit narrow?
- Bluejam0
The change must come from within.
Refusing to work with a client (tobacco company) because you don't agree them (in principle) is not really changing the status quo. Another designer will come along and simply repeat the process (targeting under age smokers). Nothing will have changed except your head is further in the sand.
We're designers. We're idea makers. Take up that job and do your best at changing the brief, educating the client or introducing an idea that they (the company) haven't thought of yet.
Saying no is not an option.
- unknown0
Bluejam:
I think that is the best post on this topic.
- grafiske0
I would rather be a janitor than agree to doing anything in conjunction with any cigarette company.
We are designers and yes it is our job, but it takes one person to start a revolution.
I am not a martyr or some "holier than thou" kind of flake, I just know that cigarettes are fucking terrible, and it is stupidity that brings people to smoke them, I never have and never will.
I am somewhat disapointed (yeah pick on me for this, go for the gold) with people saying we have no choice and work is work.
That is what some people believe. I think your own individual principles should always tower over a moral decision in your work. I believe strongly in doing your job right and working hard, I don't believe in compromising your own beliefs or attitudes on a very heated subject to make some money.
- mrdobolina0
Im too busy trying to pay my bills, to change the world.
- grafiske0
Me to, believe me. But I would rather be busy cleaning floors than participating in anything that kills people, wether these people are stupid or not.
I'll take thie studio apartment in the ghetto with a clear conscience rather than the fancy one in a ritzy neighborhood knowing I participate in feeding people bullshit that will eventually kill them.
- Mimio0
Nevertheless, the world still needs changing. Illegal drugs still seem to do well without any marketing at all. Society is still trying to reconcile the human condition with the forces it puts on each person. Some of us self medicate. I myself wouldn't choose to blame anyone else for it.
- grafiske0
I agree. But I have a bigger problem with cigarettes than I do with hard drugs. They are marketed and governments are okay with it, and so are the millions of people helping them do this.
This subject has always blown my mind.
I know I can't stop it, but if I do what I think is right, when the time comes, I don't feel like I'm selling out so I can get a new G5 or whatever else your deathmoney can buy.
- Bluejam0
"I'll take thie studio apartment in the ghetto with a clear conscience rather than the fancy one in a ritzy neighborhood knowing I participate in feeding people bullshit that will eventually kill them."
A clear conscience is all fine and dandy but how much it is worth if you throw away an opportunity to try and make a change. Not many people are in a positin to say "hold on, let's try it this way."
I bet not many and they'd be pissed if they knew you just gave up.
- grafiske0
A clear conscience is not only fine and dandy, it's underrated.
I don't think aiding cigarette companies in marketing is offering me the chance to make a change or do it better. It cannot be done well. It is fucking terrible to market something with a high death from use rate.
A change would be designing for Truth or any other anti-tobacco ad company.
A good change isn't aiming at an older crowd (nightlife, whatever it is).
A good change is walking away from helping these fucking people do their job. Kill.
This IS me not giving up, I am sharing my opinion with you. And if I was offered a job, turning it down is me not giving up.
- Gorbie0
"Illegal drugs still seem to do well without any marketing at all"
How can you say that, when movies like "Spun" "Salton Sea" and worst of all "Requiem for a Dream" get churned out twice a year, and the kids eat them up?
I don't mean to single you out Mimio, I've just never understood the difference between marketing tabacco to teens and these movies.
- Gorbie0
As Dennis Miller said (loosley)...
It seems with the enormous tabacco taxes, we should be trying to keep smokers alive and smoking.
- grafiske0
That's a really good point, but maybe I am hypocritical in some way, but I support those films.
Mainly because it is not on purpose, it is just a style of story and the content has to do with drugs. These director's and screenwriters aren't writing with the intent to raise activity in drug rings, it is their art, and in Requiem and Salton Sea for instance, they did drugs, and they seemed "cool" sometimes, but it was not glorified for everyone to see, and so often parents are willing to snort coke in front of their kids.
It is more of exposure to reality (to an extent, sometimes a very small extent), which cigarette ad's are far from doing. Their ad's are not people coughing and dying.. I would say what happens in the movies but I don't want to ruin either of them, they were good.
- lindkvistcom0
Smoking will kill someone you know...
- lindkvistcom0
i have been 100% smokefree for 7 months and counting... so i am ok... but the money you will get from that job will be from people that smoke... and die...
good luck :)
- Mimio0
Grobie,
I don't think any of those movies advocate drug use. Same goes for violence in films. This whole monkey see, monkey do view of society is backwards. If violence, drug use etc were in a self perpetuating cycle of influence we'd all be junkies and murderers.
- jevad0
nope.
fuck em
let some other chump take the blood money
- Gorbie0
I've never met a tweaker as good looking as Brittany Murphy or Val Kilmer.
It was a long shot. I didn't really mean kids are shooting heroin or growing their eyebrows out because Jennifer Connely did it.
But a drug addiction is about as glamorous as the gutter outside the theater.