I'm done with HTML
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Well I have to tell you that I'm definitely done with doing anything in HTML or DHTML. I've been coding two web sites at the same time and I'm sick and tired of all the problems regarding cross-browser issues and the whole thing with one thing works on NN another work on IE (I mean JS), if I'm gonna use tables or layers, respecting W3C standards and so on. From now on I'm building sites only and only in Flash. Flash is finally a very good cross-browser development tool with complete server side support, XML and as Enobrev pointed out to me, Macromedia is preparing offline Flash support so we can develop web apps without the browser and with "on demand" internet connection.
It's about time. No more NN/IE/Opera/Unix problems I had before. Flash all the way.
Phew! Had to take that of my chest.
Cheers.
- Sapphire0
what doesn't kill you can only make you stronger
- jevad0
Lazy!!
- d1ė0
try HTML and Flash together...
HTML is still useful for somethings.
- Sapphire0
Flashtml
- jevad0
ha ha
- unknown0
shut up Jev...hehehe...
- unknown0
Well Flash/HTML is acceptable only for some server side coding, tables and simple JS level. Everything else...no way.
- unknown0
good news is it's getting better.
- jox0
I gave up ns4 coding over a year ago, so you could say I've given up 50%. join the par-teh!
- mrming0
Ironically, I'm stopping building sites totally in flash, in favour of CSS / HTML with flash mixed in if neccessary.
My reasons for this are:
Not being able to give out a url to go to a specific place in a flash site (there is a way around this but it's extreme hassle).
The back button bumping the user straight out of the site (except with windows IE and flash 6 player)
The widgets in flash being totally inferior to the ones already built into win and mac os's.
- enobrev0
i do have to agree that the lack of browser ports in flash really blows llamas. Back button et al should be built in. It's a plug in, but it doesn't actaully plug into anything. Works like a damned image.
I'm still a huge advocate of using the best tool for the job. Flash s definitely better for an application environment. Especially when it comes to live data transfer, etc. But I still think it's overkill for some sites.
For instance, to call xml content form the server, you have to load the flash in a browser (embedded into the html), and then once the swf is loaded it has to go out and make another call to the server for the data, and then parse it ,etc.
Just a bit too much overhead to be practical for a 10 page band website.
But most of all... Forget about making sites for veersion 4's. Shit, I mostly just check the latest browsers...
And a lot of the js out there has seemed buggy to me. I haven't used enough, but I've spent plenty of time working with people debugging their dhtml and js scripts because of strange things.
So if you need movement, yes.. flash is tops... at least AS is cross browser. But if not, i don't think the overhead jsutifies the outcome.
Ok, sun's up, so im babling again.. and i'm too lazy / tird to reread so i hope it all made sense.
- unknown0
i agree mark. i much prefer the solidity of html sites - with embedded flash for motion.
- CyBrainX0
If I were a developer/sitebuilder and not a designer, I would want to work in Flash out of pure preference. I'm a designer, so it's a no brainer. I could give dozens of reasons Flash is superior.
However, it really depends on the site you're building. Would you really have any reason for building a news site all in Flash?
Anything where there is a choice, I would go with Flash. It's only getting easier to do things like showing current link, visited links, embed video in the same window, and generally make a user friendly site that would shut Jakob Nielson's gutter mouth.
- vespa0
Hey CyBrainX do you have any links to research/articles on those arguments? Besides the macromedia site? Don't worry if you haven't, I'm just interested.
- ********0
I quit making HTML stuff two years ago, yet you will still find clients that want it.
- mbr0
I made my site in HTML, assuming (naively, of course), that it would be quick, painless, and easily updatable (that's my fault, though, I like images), but it was a pain in the ass.
I'll never make a site with HTML again!! Too slow, too unreliable, and really, pretty boring. If you want to slap up a site that is 'trendy' and minimalist, as sooooo many see to be the same tan with a little text, then fine. Other than that, yahoo, amazon, and goodle, I don't see much need for the headaches.
A learned lesson.
- unknown0
html is the glue
- unknown0
wahhhh..... cry me a river, we all deal with it. quit being a baby
- kerus0
K.I.S.S.
Keep It Simple Stupid
and code will work fairly well on all platforms/browsers
- unknown0
haha! I like that K.I.S.S.
gotta remember that one!