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I don't care how many cds/vinyls they give me, If they are high profile.. I still would expect some money.
- IloveQBN0
yeah, they probably send you all the C-list hip hop CD.
I guess this will be a good experience to students or people with little experience.
I sometimes do pro bono work, but rarely for companies I don't know.
- unknown0
i think what bothers me more is the fact that they say they are
"VERY HIGH PROFILE"Probono is for people that Are Not High Profile and Need breaks.
- mckenna0
right on qburt.
- estro3230
name the label and we will decide how "high profile" this label is. Usually hi posting hip hop sucks so why would we want to get paid with promos. puuuhhllease. what a fucking joke.
- IloveQBN0
i agree!
They'll probably send it COD (cash on Delivery!)
- sauceruney0
and I suppose you'll all be hating on the designer who gets the gig, too
- estro3230
actually no, i will not be hating on the designer. like was stated above, if they are high profile they can afford to pay. I suppose you think taking advantage of designers is just fine then?
- IloveQBN0
I would like to know which SF design agency is looking? Would be nice if it will lead to some serious paying gigs!
- BonSeff0
" high-profile independent hip-hop label"
isnt that a contradiction?
- sauceruney0
and the designer who chooses to be "taken advantage of" will obviously not be helping the situation, would they?
this may be what someone needs to jump-start a career.
- ********0
in a way, yea, Bonseff!
this is a nice opportunity to those who want a "name' in their folio, or for students.....there are more "high profile" brands out there who do this...
I won't do it...i need cash. I can't move to my new apt. and eat and pay rent from promo's. Simple as that.
- IloveQBN0
this sort of things cheapens our profession!! We are already under paid for the work that we do!
Pretty soon companies will have designers paying them to work on sites for them!! RIDICULOUS!!
- estro3230
Yes sorry i kinda came off to harsh and will a foul mouth but this kind of scenario is lousy. "hi profile " clients with money say that designers should work for pittance simply to get "name" clients on their portfolio while the "lo profile", not so well off clients, can not afford to pay at all. So there is cycle of low paying work. See more on "grub or ethics" at AIGA Design forum. kinda cool.
http://designforum.aiga.org/cont…
- BonSeff0
if you think the designer will feel bad - well imagine the paycheck the hip hop artist gets from being on a high profile independent label.
woohooo everybody gets screwed!where is the line crossed from being an independent label and a high profile label? is there wiggle room im not aware of
- unknown0
QBN should be shot for posting that ....
Ya I said it.
- monokrom0
Unless they're the first record label to file for nonprofit status with the IRS, non-paying work for "experience" (experience in being swindled ?), "a greeeeaaaat portfolio piece" (sweating your balls off to build a killer portfolio so that you'll be able to compete against your peers for even more awesome non-paying gigs?) , and the opportunity to work on other (nonpaying?) projects in the future .... is pretty much self-defeating. A bunch of free cd/vinyl ? C'mon.
I've got a feeling that the "high-profile independent hip-hop label" in question doesn't give their product away to the public in exchange for good publicity ("if i like the album, i might tell some of my friends about it and I may even allow you to give me more free albums in the future").
Churning out free work is even worse than participating in "design contests" w/re to devaluing your profession and contributing to the widely-held perception that design is a worthless (if it can be gotten for free, after all) garnish. You're just slitting your own (and your designer brothers') throat(s), killing the market.
- shankd0g0
yeah i have to say that post is BS...
i have so much work from labels with NO money who have paid me.just recently i did a WHOLE LOT of work for these guys.. www.gritrecords.com
the flash intro, the point of purchase posters, the cd cover, LP, 12 inch layouts...
all said.. maybe i made $10 an hour..maybe a little more.. and with clients like Atlantic Records, Rawkus, MCA Records, V2 Records, Sequence Records, already in my portfolio, I didn't need the work.. I WANTED to be involved in it.
I've been DJing since 1985 and whenever I can I ask for doubles of whatever the label wants to throw at me...
Sorry. I got off track.. but. this gritrecords cat is funding just about ALL of this stuff himself. He's a regular guy with a wife and kids and stilll manages to send me a few bucks here and there even if it is only as a token of his appreciation.
Bottom line is, why is a design AGENCY looking for someone and not the label itself. In that situation.. i could see a label saying we really only have $200 but we really need a site.
In that instance I'd see more serious people jumping at the opportunity.
Just seems fishy.
And again, when/if I get more work i can handle...i will continue to offer it here.. i cant offer much because honestly, I'm not billing design house rates... but i am willing to share the 'wealth' where it is needed.
I myself been 'unemployed' since Oct and know how it is to need every dime that comes across the plate.
Sorry for the run-on post.
- BonSeff0
why cant the high profile independent label provide an email address that isnt a yahoo acct
way too vague
- IloveQBN0
will work for CASH!
- coop0
Can you imagine telling the guy who works on your car that if he rebuilds your transmission you'll give him some rap cd's!
These kinds of "job" posting are fucked up. We are suposed to think that working for no pay is a good thing or that it will get us somewhere in our profession. Go ahead and work for "exposure" and be exposed for being a person who will work for free; be exposed for a person who doesn't value what you do -- what ever level you are at.
Believe me these people are not looking for someone who's skills are worth nothing. Trust me when I say they are looking for the shit but they don't want to pay for it. Of course *they* work for money and the high-profile client is getting paid big time but you... you can work for nothing. Hey you're just a designer. Right?