Trayvon Martin
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needs more hearsay before I can inadequately speculate
- CygnusZero40
Zimmerman was town watchman with a licensed weapon. He was kind of chosen to look into anyone who he deems as suspicious. I think a kid walking slowly in the rain looking at houses qualifies as something to check out.
So he follows him. After that we don't know what happened outside of what the 13 year old witness saw, which was Zimmerman on his back being pummeled by Trayvon, then a gun shot.
Zimmerman walks, end of story, which is what should happen, if that is in fact all we know. You can't put a guy away for life without knowing for a hard fact that he attacked first, which we just don't know right now and may never know. And if that's the case it's just the right thing to let him go.
But black people will protest, riot and loot anyway. They enjoy that apparently. It seems like when white people protest it's over wars and bigger shit like that. Black people do it over one lost black kid without even know ALL of the facts.
- He WAS NOT a town watchman, he was a self-appointed captain of a small neighborhood watchJosev
- The handgun was NOT issued to him, it was his personal weaponJosev
- The police didn't even follow proper procedures when he gave his account of what happened, which is why the FBI has stepped in.Josev
- has stepped in. They didnt even contact all of the witnesses.Josev
- Besides... WTF would a town watchman be? Is this 1887 London?ETM
- what a jokeBattleAxe
- "i'm not racist but: black people will protest and riot and loot anyways. They enjoy that aparently"bogue
- your generalizing is the definition of racism.bogue
- _niko0
imagine google earth 50-100 years from now, able to track and record the lives of every human being on earth.
We won't need these discussions any more.
- monkeyshine0
It saddens me that this tragedy has been politicized...it really shows our racist roots. Cygnus, you don't even seem to hear yourself: "...black people will protest, riot...They enjoy it apparently." You're a part of the problem, dude.
It doesn't matter if:
1. this kid was suspended for smoking pot
2. wore a hoodie
3. clocked ZimmermanThere were actually lots of 911 calls that night that all seem to bring Zimmerman into question (not to mention the girlfriend who was on the phone). This Zimmerman guy was wielding a gun, had no uniform on, and by accounts I've read had his own set of issues. I don't believe he set out to murder someone but the truth is he f*kd up.
- The police didn't even interview the girlfriend initially.Josev
- you're blaming Cygnus for black people's propensity towards rioting?lambsy
- wow. lights on but nobody's home.monkeyshine
- Josev0
http://www.thegrio.com/specials/…
"When 28-year-old George Zimmerman was discovered by Sanford, Florida police standing over the body of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, they accepted Zimmerman's claim that he killed in self-defense as a neighborhood watch captain. Now, through a statement released by the National Sheriffs' Association (NSA) -- the parent organization of USAonWatch-Neighborhood Watch -- it has been revealed that Zimmerman was not a member of any group recognized by the organization. Zimmerman violated the central tenets of Neighborhood Watch by following Martin, confronting him and carrying a concealed weapon.
"In no program that I have ever heard of does someone patrol with a gun in their pocket," Carmen Caldwell, the Executive Director of Citizens' Crime Watch of Miami-Dade, told theGrio. "Every city and municipality has their own policies. Here in Miami-Dade we train people only to be the eyes and ears of their communities. Not to follow and most definitely not to carry a weapon."- Exactly. This isn't rocket science.monkeyshine
- Zimmerman was not recognized by any authority.Josev
- TheBlueOne0
" black people will protest, riot and loot anyway. They enjoy that apparently"
Racist much?
Again I love how QBN rises to the occasion. Thanks for not surprising me. Fuck it, I hope the spam chokes this place dead. Couldn't happen soon enough.- hey why don't you go funke yourself tobias? blues aren't welcomed here ;)_niko
- omg0
All this talk is making me want some Skittles!
- Amicus0
@TBO - QBN isn't racist, but provides for almost free speech (talk about competitors and Bertt Brash aside). It's this freedom of speech that racist types love, because they can propagate their ill conceived ideologies.
freedom of speech also allows non-bigots to spread their own propaganda about the differences between individuals based on personalities, ideologies and deeds rather than some genetic trait they had no control over.
- Josev0
A portrait of George Zimmerman paints the picture of a man obsessed with law enforcement, the very career that eluded him.
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/…
..."And another label has also stuck in the public’s perception: frustrated cop wannabe.
Over the years, his scores of calls to police showed he pursued shoplifters and errant drivers with zeal, reporting pit bulls, potholes, children playing in the street, open garage doors and “suspicious” youths — usually black males — loitering in the street.
He peppered his calls with jargon familiar to police. In one case, he chased a reckless driver while calling 911 — the driver later told police he was terrified that Zimmerman was going to attack him. In another case, Zimmerman tailed a supermarket shoplifter until a police officer successfully arrested the thief.
Dr. Laurence Miller, a Palm Beach County clinical psychologist who works with local police agencies, said he believes Zimmerman likely was acting out the “whole TV cop role in his head” when he confronted Trayvon.
“A lot of people like the power and control that law enforcement officers have but with that comes a tremendous amount of responsibility,” Miller said, pointing out that a police officer is the only profession that can use “coercive physical force” or lethal force to subdue a suspected criminal.
“People act like cowboys and like the power, but not the responsibility.”"
- youngdesigner0
"Multiple suspensions paint complicated portrait of Trayvon Martin"
Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/…
- youngdesigner0
The Miami Gardens teen who has become a national symbol of racial injustice was suspended three times, and had a spotty school record that his family’s attorneys say is irrelevant to the facts that led up to his being gunned down on Feb. 26.
In October, a school police investigator said he saw Trayvon on the school surveillance camera in an unauthorized area “hiding and being suspicious.” Then he said he saw Trayvon mark up a door with “W.T.F” — an acronym for “what the f---.” The officer said he found Trayvon the next day and went through his book bag in search of the graffiti marker.
Instead the officer reported he found women’s jewelry and a screwdriver that he described as a “burglary tool,” according to a Miami-Dade Schools Police report obtained by The Miami Herald.
Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/…
- "No evidence has surfaced that the jewelry was stolen"Josev
- Well, I guess he's guilty and got his just rewards. He's black and was carrying jewelry and a screwdriverJosev
- do you think he bought the jewelry? do you think he liked to wear women's jewelry?lambsy
- what I do know is "No evidence has surfaced that the jewelry was stolen"Josev
- BonSeff0
so every example you give means a troubled teen deserves to get shot for walking in a neighborhood where it stays white out later. congrats. fuck you.
- mg330
These stories that are coming out - do you think they're relevant, or not relevant? Personally, I think painting a picture of a person's character is really difficult in situations like this. Does anything in his past warrant him being murdered? Absolutely not. Does being caught with burglary tools, or a graffiti marker directly connect to what happened the night he was killed? No, of course not. But does the collective amount of things he may have gotten in trouble for help cast doubt in people's minds that he had no potential for doing something wrong the night he was killed? Yeah, probably.
One side wants to point the finger at Zimmerman for being a racist murdering vigilante way outside the limits of the law. The other side wants to find any shred of evidence that proves Martin was out breaking into houses and committing a crime serious enough to warrant Zimmerman's actions. A person is still dead, and there will be a serious division between what people believe happened, and what warranted his death in Zimmerman's mind as he shot him in self defense.
- Josev0
More bout Zimmerman:
"His prior contacts with the law would have given police agencies pause.
In 2005, according to an arrest report, a state agent arrested Zimmerman for battery on a law enforcement officer and obstructing justice. According to the report, agents with Florida’s Alcohol Beverage and Tobacco division were arresting several employees near the University of Central Florida.
Agent Paul Fleishman wrote that Zimmerman walked up to a pal under arrest and began chatting, refusing to leave. Zimmerman cursed him, Fleishman wrote, before pushing him and causing a “short struggle.”
The charge was later dropped when Zimmerman entered a “pre-trial diversion” program, which is not unusual for first-time offenders. The program usually entails paying fines and taking classes for anger management."
Before the case was resolved, he was also involved in a domestic dispute with his ex-fiancée, hair salon employee Veronica Zauzo.
Zauzo claimed Zimmerman was trolling her neighborhood to check on her. At her apartment, they spoke for about an hour when she asked him to leave. He asked for some photos and paperwork and she refused.
A pushing match ensued and her dog jumped up and bit him on the cheek, Zauzo claimed. Zimmerman, in a petition filed the next day, painted her as the aggressor, wanting him to stay the night.
“She accused me of going to another woman’s house or going to party,” wrote Zimmerman, who said Zauzo slapped, clawed and choked him."
- He doesnt like take responsibility for his actions.Josev
- mg330
The big thing is that minute or whatever it was that nobody knows what happened. Yeah, Martin could have been kicking that guy's ass as his own form of self defense, you know? Zimmerman could have been the instigator and snapped.
- ETM0
@CygnusZero4
Boy, I used to think you were bringing a fair balance to the conversation. But with this whole thing where you keep calling Zimmerman a town watchman who was issued a gun... it makes me realize that you may not be even entertaining the facts that are deemed accurate to date and have been reported for a month.It's been stated many times he was a volunteer on a neighbourhood watch committee - self appointed commander, in fact. Not an employee of any kind, the gun was his personal weapon (though licensed). It's understood that many in the community did not know he even carried it. And now the community association is under the possibility of a lawsuit as they are considered to hold some responsibility in his actions.
- The community lawsuit is recent speculation, not reported fact though. Just to clarify.ETM
- ETM0
Has anyone seen a report on what Zimmerman did as a job/career outside this volunteer work? Just curious. It's been said he studied 4 years of criminology or criminal justice.
- ETM0
Also, one last thing, did Trayvon live in the community with his dad, or was he just visiting? Seems like if he lived there, they might have at least been aware of each other, especially if Zimmerman was at it for 4 years. Any past bad blood there? Did Zimmerman have extra reason to be suspicious or aggressive? Has he hassled Trayvon before and caused Trayvon to be more aggressive?
Just a few things I have wondered.
- I've heard he had a Ph from the Chrales Bronson Universitydyspl
- you post too fast, you ruined my poor joke attempt.dyspl
- http://sadtrombone.c…ETM
- I deserve itdyspl
- omg0
ok, how exactly do i get in touch with the black panthers?... those fool did not leave a number. they put up a $10,000 and no contact information. fake bastards!
- youngdesigner0
- A legal citizen's arrest would imply the cops are looking for him to arrest.ETM