RIP Jerry Falwell
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- flagellum0
ok bye now.
- material-10
does the bible actually mention homosexuality?
- gramme0
Sure, we're all sinners. And when I say "we're all sinners" I mean the entire human race. We have all collectively shat the bed in that regard.
I would define "sinner" as a human being who is prone to doing wrong from time to time, be it a disrespectful comment, a lie, a murder.
Ever make a mistake? Are you less than perfect? Do you entertain hopes of ever becoming perfect? No? Welcome to our common problem.
- lemmys_wart0
there are millions of dangerously stupid people who ascribe to all manner of world views, morilla. What's your point?
flagellum
(May 15 07, 12:56)that thiests rape, murder and abort at a higher rate than non-thiests?
..and you can't scapegoat falwell on that one.
irrational belief systems breed irrational behaviors.
fact.
- gramme0
does the bible actually mention homosexuality?
material
(May 15 07, 13:58)Sure, the Bible mentions it a number of times, in both the Old and New Testaments. I don't have a Bible handy and frankly I waste too much of my employers' time here already, otherwise I'd give you some references.
- material-10
thanks gramme
- TheBlueOne0
I worship at the Church of Carlin
- madirish0
i just cannot for the life of me, coordinate how an exclusive group (one must be enrolled to in the rests' eyes, but validified as being so) who *prides* itself on the fundamental concept of true, bottomless love, can be so seperatist at the same time.
"they/them/that"?
"us"?
fucking hell man, these are human beings you are talking about, not some variation on the intent out to evil some greater 'plan' you feel is 'true'.
do you get that??? these are humans. they are you. you are them. does the action of their genitals truely create the speratist belief you can so clear define and justify?
how then, do you "love" homosexuals if you are both skeptical of "them" and yet have a distinct definition of what this boundless 'love' that you say a 'god' has for all 'his' creatures.
i just could never imagine having distain in my heart/being for another human, let alone one that has qualities slightly different than mine....
- gramme0
lemmyswart, how about backing up your inane claims with actual statistics, just for once, instead of pulling information out of your ass and calling it "truth."
And for the record, nobody ever said that Christians are cured from making mistakes. They simply become filled with a desire to become more like God. So they may grow and become wiser, kinder and humbler people over a lifetime, but they will never become perfect or anywhere remotely close to perfect this side of eternity. So the practice of throwing stones is a waste of time because we all have blood on our hands, whether we have murdered or simply considered it for half of a second.
- lemmys_wart0
does the bible actually mention slavery?
material
(May 15 07, 13:58)you know it.
god dont like fags, but slaves were a-ok.
- BonSeff0
yeah, lemmy,
cause the bible is truth.
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- gramme0
i just could never imagine having distain in my heart/being for another human, let alone one that has qualities slightly different than mine....
madirish
(May 15 07, 14:04)So, you've never disliked anyone then? Said something rude? Thought something rude? Gotten into a fight? Lied? Stole?
If you had a son who developped a drinking problem, you would disagree with his actions but still love him, yes?
- mrdobolina0
I have no blood on my hands and I am not a sinner.
- lemmys_wart0
" lemmyswart, how about backing up your inane claims with actual statistics "
http://humaniststudies.org/enews…
christopher hitchens book slays on this topic...
- madirish0
yes i have gramme, but none of those things are 'sin' because 'sin' is a ficticious word/concept/idea to my being.
i do not believe in sin.
i do not believe in any form of organized religion.
i have studied organized religions extensively in school.
i think these qualities exist outside of any sort of 'religion' and it's beliefs.
i could very well agree with that son, who knows. if i had odds with someone, it would be with their being a human and not due to, nor influenced by any sort of religious falicy coined as 'sin'.
- lemmys_wart0
and gramme, which city would you feel safer in, toykyo or jerusalem?
- gramme0
I have no blood on my hands and I am not a sinner.
mrdobolina
(May 15 07, 14:11)If you have never made a mistake in your life, then everything I have ever said about the above issues doesn't apply to you. Feel free to ignore me.
I think you know better, unfortunately. Perhaps that's why you are so prolific in every thread remotely related to any subject that carries the faintest whiff of Christianity. But hey, I can't read your mind so I could be wrong.
- gramme0
and gramme, which city would you feel safer in, toykyo or jerusalem?
lemmys_wart
(May 15 07, 14:15)What's your point? Jerusalem is practically filled with violent Israeli nationalists and fundamentalist Muslims. I fail to see what on earth this has to do with violence perpetrated by Christians.
- gramme0
This is the thing that frightens me so much about popular postmodern philosophy. The idea that truth is relative and that the only moral or theological measuring stick is one's own personal scruples.
What fuckups we are! Who are we to write truth?
Give me a god that is stronger than me. Even if God as many people know him doesn't exist, I'd rather go on believing at least in the idea of him, because I make a shitty deity. So does everyone else I have ever met.
We all worship something or many things, but at the end of the day it's primarily ourselves. We are the ultimate source of truth. We are the masters of our destinies. Things exist or fail to exist based on whether we choose to acknowledge them. This is the prevalent philosophy of today, in a nutshell.
Like I said, it's frightening, and it makes me sad.
- madirish0
"What fuckups we are! Who are we to write truth?"
we are the only ones here, man. it is ours and ours alone to fuck up or make better for the unknowns that may or may not come after us.
"Give me a god that is stronger than me. Even if God as many people know him doesn't exist, I'd rather go on believing at least in the idea of him, because I make a shitty deity. So does everyone else I have ever met."
this is my point exactly; why have dieties? who needs them? what do they do for people on a practical level other than 'something to believe *in*'? i have no use for them logical, or otherwise and believe me, i have tried. i do not want to be a diety, nor do i want another being, human or not, to be as such.
just as a side point; the term 'postmodern philosophy' bugs the shit out of me predominately because it is based on the assumption of a pre/post 'christ' date. people had these beliefs long before this movement and were ended because of it. yes it 'took' greek thinkers and culture to label such, but the basis for critique has been there as naturally as humans had envolutionary thought, and sexual behaviors.
i also want to just say thank you for the stimulating discussion. i respect all views put here in equal terms, some, IMO, can do it with the discussion in mind and not the person better than others. on all sides of the critique.