Dawkins @ TED
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- Brookoioioi0
using scientific sounding terminology to create a falsified chain of reasoing does not count as evidence.
- kelpie0
"Although biblical skeptics often dismiss this account as pure mythology, Christians should accept the word of God Who was there rather than the opinions of fallible men who were not."
that's hilarious. who'd God dictate this to?
- FrdmOfSpch0
so the lions DID eat hay flagellum?? on the ark?? is that what you truly believe???????
oh man, i'm still waivering about following the christ child... i dont know...
is that what you think????
- Nairn0
So terribly sorry to disappoint, Brookoioioi.
Perhaps, like someone has already suggested (either here on /., I can't recall) this isn't currently as much of an issue as is being made out. If they were banned from the internets, then fo'sho'. But they're not - they just have to change ISPs.
Therefore, just now, it's not the end of the world. Sorry - it's interesting, yes, but not that much. I may well be being naive and am wrong, but, meh.
x
- mrdobolina0
noah's ark is logisically impossible and flagellum knows it.
but this has been gone over hundreds of times here and he will send you guys to answeringgenesis.com to boost up his traffic numbers.
- Brookoioioi0
yes unfortunately you are both naive and wrong on this issue, and when it finally catches up with you (and everyone else) it may be too late.
- FrdmOfSpch0
is he refusing to give me a direct answer because he lacks the courage of his convictions... is he being cowardly and slippery?
i just want him to say
"yes, the lions ate hay on noah's ark"
- flagellum0
If people would understand that the word "kind" as used in the passage about Noah's Ark, means generic kinds (i.e. canines instead of all the varieties which would later speciate) and that speciation occurred into the varieties we see, after the release from the Ark, it wouldn't be so hard to fathom. It also helps to not have a prejudice against the miraculous at work in our world from time to time.
- flagellum0
But my goal is not to demonstrate that Noah's Ark happened in a literal way as presented in Genesis. My interest is in addressing the claims about teleology and Darwinism being made by people like Dawkins and the implications about purpose and meaning in the world.
- mrdobolina0
thou shalt not pump too much voltage through one topic.
- FrdmOfSpch0
but did the lions EAT HAY??!!!
- kelpie0
It also helps to not have a prejudice against the miraculous at work in our world from time to time.
flagellum
(May 2 07, 07:00)that's why you'll never have much luck winning hearts and minds on here. Most people of an educational standard are (as they would see it) rightly prejudiced against that.
It also just doesn't stand up as a method of debate. Asked for proof of a statement you ask us to believe in miracles. That doesn't work for many.
no offence.
I found a really great quote recently about peoples principles and politics and how people can never be reconciled which I meant to copy for NT. wish I had it now.
- Nairn0
Hmm, at the rate of species divergence you're insinuating in the Ark episode, I'd expect new, wildly-differentiated creatures to be popping up all the time - say, quite a few each century. Christ, even humans should have evolved somewhat in the intervening x thousand years.
Also, why does God so curiously wield his capacity for miracles? She leaves a lot to chance, I think.
At best, She's sloppy, contrary and inconsistent - not characteristics I'd be comfortable devoting my eternity to worship.
- flagellum0
kelpie: The problem with your reasoning is the multitude of highly educated people who DO believe in the miraculous and have experienced it. But I suppose it comes down to how one defines the rather nebulous "miraculous" and where the lines are drawn.
My interest is not in convincing the people of NT about the miraculous. My interest is in demonstrating that nature reveals intelligence at work.
- kelpie0
see nairn, that's why I've always preferred polytheists and earth pagans - one gods weaknesses and predilections are generally covered by another's.
more flexible in general
- FrdmOfSpch0
oh wait, i get it now, it was just one giant miracel
wtf?? then why built a boat anyway?? why not cryogenically freeze them in suspended animation by the will of Yaweh??!!! Why go through all that fucking drama just to magically make lions eat hay in the first play???
that gods one ego freak
- flagellum0
Nairn: You are assuming that speciation took place under Darwinian mechanisms. I didn't say that. Nor do I believe that. It would have been pre-programmed algorithmic type of speciation... kinda like what we see in the fossil record. The rapid appearance of distinct phyla. Again, I don't ascribe to the timeline of YEC's though.
If you are speaking of he Biblical God, He has completed his revelation of his redemptive plan in Jesus Christ. There is no longer need for extravagant miracles. The big miracle now is the change of heart that comes in receiving Christ and knowing him personally.
If He's sloppy and inconsistent, show me where.
- FrdmOfSpch0
it just doesn't make sense :'(
- mrdobolina0
don't feed the bears.
- FrdmOfSpch0
But my goal is not to demonstrate that Noah's Ark happened in a literal way as presented in Genesis. My interest is in addressing the claims about teleology and Darwinism being made by people like Dawkins and the implications about purpose and meaning in the world.
flagellum
(May 2 07, 07:02)i thought your goal was to convert the lurkers to fundamentalist christianity?? or something along those lines.