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- Plusone0
monkeyshine I agree and wonder too but today is a day for celebration. As for tomorrow we will see and I imagine it will continue to be an ugly fight but it is worth it in the end. Keep in mind that the Iraqi people have never been able to vote before and now they have that right. It is a step towards a long over due peaceful middle east. I sense a lot of people here wishing or focusing on the worst just because they don't like America or the President. It may hurt to admit but the coalition is obviously doing what 8 million Iraqis wanted them to do and are on the path to a free Iraq. It must feel great to the Iraqi people to throw that in the face of the media and the insurgents.
- Plusone0
poor Europe.
how embarrassing.
- scarabin0
too bad their voting system is almost as corrupt and pointless as ours.
what with all the double-voting and people selling their ballots and whatnot.
- cosmo0
i see a civil war in the horizon pretty soon.
- mrdobolina0
plusone, you are so presumptuous as to other people's motives it is ridiculous.
- cosmo0
plusone, you are so presumptuous as to other people's motives it is ridiculous.
mrdobolina
(Jan 30 05, 20:26)hahahaha
- toe_knee0
So now people are accepting Bush as a good leader??
The world goes into snooze mode again.
- clerk0
14 days of casualties in iraq by grapihic designer alicia cheng.
- MX_OnD0
So now people are accepting Bush as a good leader??
The world goes into snooze mode again.
toe_knee
(Jan 30 05, 20:30)Another nine minutes of peace before getting rudely awakened again.
- chameleonic0
Who the hell says 'Democracy' is the be all and end all anyway?
- bk_shankz0
commie!
- vespa0
haven't read the whole thread but this jumped out:
why in the hell would people be pissed off that the iraqis voted, and there were minimal voting day deaths. why would people be in opposition to that?
virtu
(Jan 30 05, 13:31)Firstly, "minimal voting day deaths", what does that mean? 40 people are killed and that's considered "minimal"? according to whom? 9 suicide bombings in one day, the highest number the world has ever seen, that's minimal?
Secondly, regarding all the "historic victory for democracy" rhetoric, Robert Fisk reporting from Bagdhad says this:
"It was easy to be maudlin about such word, to imbibe the false optimism of the Western television networks and the nonsense about Iraq's "historic" day - for it will only have been historic if it changes this country, and many fear it will not.
No one I met yesterday believes the insurgency will end. Many thought it would grow more ferocious and the Shias in the polling stations said with one voice that they were also voting to rid Iraq of the Americans, not to legitimise their presence."
- MX_OnD0
Unfortunately I don't have it here but Robert Fisk also wrote in yesterday's Independent on Sunday that the media coverage of polling was restricted to 5 polling stations, 4 of which were in Shia areas and one in a very affluent Sunni area - as such there would be plenty of footage of people rushing to vote. Not one polling station in working class Sunni areas will be shown.
The revolution will not be televised. The truth will be edited.
- vespa0
Robert Fisk is my hero.
- quamb0
stop saying 'freedom' and shit like that, it's fucking creepy.
mrdobolina
(Jan 30 05, 13:26)classic!
- MX_OnD0
Robert Fisk is my hero.
vespa
(Jan 31 05, 03:00)A true hero indeed. Did you read his article yesterday?
- vespa0
unfortunately no - link?
- MX_OnD0
Aha... it's payable on the Independent's page...but gratis on Robert fisk's site :)
- anon0
Hey, in case anyone didn't know but for instance Bush's biggest middle east buddies both Saudi Arabia and Kuwait are no democracies at all. In the Worldwide Democracy List is Saudi Arabia 140th of 141 and Kuwait 126th of 141. Now why is it that Bush and the US foreign politics have no issue with this at all? Why aren't these country a terror thread? Or can i say double standards?
- toe_knee0
Great article, thanks.
This saddened and sickened me....
"Just this month, for example, US aircraft fired missiles at a students' dormitory at the University of Erbil in the Kurdish north of the country. Among the wounded Kurds was a survivor of Saddam's gassing of Halabja - one of the reasons Mr Bush and Mr Blair supposedly invaded this wretched place. No explanations from the Americans."