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- palimpsest1
"The question, then, was, in what way did Andy's Factory-made boxes differ from the factory-made boxes? That is, what differentiating visible properties separated them?"
What Art Is: Arthur C. Danto
- BannedKappa1
- Very cool. Best of luck to you!dopepope
- *like!microkorg
- Drama in the desert, not of the desert.
You got 1/2 right, would not buy ; -)palimpsest
- microkorg0
Dopepope,
Your work is f*cking rad! I have some questions for you.
I've got a load of digital works that I'm planning on going though and selecting pieces to sell.I take it that OpenSea is the easiest to get onto?
Just sign up, grab MetaMask, buy some ETH and mint your work.Do you think your work and sales on OpenSea helped you get into Known Origin and Foundation?
OpenSea and Foundation can connect with MetaMask, does KO?
To all that's selling...
Do you promote the work you have up there somehow to promote sales?Do you have links to a folio site or instagram that shows you are a legit 'artist' to give more kudos to your sales?
- Opensea is good to start. It's not curated, so getting in is easy. And the first post has gas fee, after that they're all free.dopepope
- I do think having some sales under my belt def helped get in. But you'll never really know that.dopepope
- KO does yes.dopepope
- Promotion, community engagement, and lots of it, are all key.dopepope
- Yes, you should have all your links connected.dopepope
- Reach out on IG or Twitter. I'll chat more with you. @d0pep0pedopepope
- microkorg1
Saw that Richie Hawtin (Plastikman) released some 303 NFTs that feature image with sound. Looks like this is a video file.
This is the kind of thing i'm thinking of doing, so have a digital image accompanied by an original soundtrack/song/ambience that i've created. Thought this would differentiate my work from others.
- grafician0
Vice has doubts about all this, not seeing the art value in it:
- Haven't read the article. But the type of work being sold is not part of the established artworld. It's not considered art in that sense.palimpsest
- This is a judgment on the quality of the work. No established art gallery is investing on these types of works.palimpsest
- This feels like toddlers wearing their parent's makeup and clothes. Which only points out the ridiculous behavior of both children and adults. I'm all for it!palimpsest
- Indeed, but I see jobs like "crypto art curator" and "crypto art advisor" being "minted" as we speak if this mania is spreading lolgrafician
- just like Goldman Sacks or JPMorgan are preparing presentations about crypto for their clients...grafician
- But apparently blockchain is disrupting the system. Fucking LOL.palimpsest
- It's rather not. DLTs are not new tech, nobody found any real use for them yet.grafician
- Hahaha, toddlers wearing parent’s makeup... damn. LolGnash
- grafician-2
Bloomberg calling it hype:
"NFT Art Is All About the Hype"
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinio…
"The crypto world produces, lives, breathes, monetizes hype. It’s using radically creative ways to involve the non-crypto world in this process, and it’s spreading around plenty of money. One can only hope that this eventually leads to tangible benefits for a lot of people — be they concert-goers, equity-minded consumers, conservationists or those whom a digital property title could save days of bureaucratic tedium. But Beeple’s moment in the sun is already a benefit to anyone who makes art not suited for the traditional market: Even if not all of them will monetize their art the way he has, his example gives them hope of inclusion."
- _me_0
what "Gas" price / fees are you putting into these - $60 USD ?
- pretty much 40-60 depending on moment of uploadsAQUTE
- Yeah, like 60 usd, but it fluctuates.
When I first started selling it was like 12 usd haha - now ETH is gaining momentum - more users = higher miner fees.antimotion
- antimotion1
An additional 2 cents -
Folks who aren't seeing the value in "it" must not have subscriptions to Netflix, Hulu, HBO, Disney, Spotify, apple music, etc...
I'm fairly certain you don't get to keep any physical iteration of the films, shows, or music from those platforms, yet they are paid.
It seems as though users are paying for some kind of emotional substance. I’m no Sherlock Holmes, so I can’t be certain of course, but isn’t the collection of art, lay within that same vein?
Honestly speaking. when I first heard about this Crypto-art thing I was totally skeptical because I didn't know what ETH was. I thought to myself, my landlord wouldn’t understand it because they only accept cash or credit (ironically, credit is sort of like a digital form of money...) I'm kicking myself now because ETH was so cheap then!
Like so many creators, I’ve been posting work on IG, FB, even Dribbbbbble (sorry - forget how many b's they have), every other day and will get the typical "cool" "nice work" etc... And while I deeply appreciate the kind comments and occasional words of encouragement, the underlying fact of the matter is, behind the scenes, those platforms are making bank off of what we post - our visually rendered thoughts and dreams being commodified - not in OUR favor.
There is a new era evolving literally as you’re reading this. It may be silly to say, but I feel like the ape discovering the bone in 2001. There is so much energy exuding from the obelisk of possibility this new technology is displaying, it’s truly astounding...
And while I may simply be a crumb in the galaxy-sized loaf of bread that is the art world, I have to honestly say - I've never felt so much love and utter respect from a community before this thing hit.
If you are skeptical and don't want to put yourself out there - all good. Some folks aren't into it and that’s okay. It’s moving fast and can be overwhelming to be sure... But before you knock it completely due to a lack of knowledge, check out youtube or clubhouse (Shout out to DP and NS!) with a little research. Listen to folks who are feeding this monster - yes, there’s some fluff, but there’s more substance than anything and whether you focus on NFT or CRYPTO-ART or CRYPTO- CURRENCY, DEFI, etc, it is absolutely relevant to our current and future state of society.
As artists, we have to use our creative prowess to challenge the status quo. We’re finally at a stage, early as it may be, where blockchain technology can be used in a way to defend ourselves against industries that have taken advantage of us - taken our art, music, film, poetry, etc, and thrown us out after licking the frosting off.
There are a few folks here who have already dropped some amazing art and I’ve had the extreme pleasure of connecting with them. It’s all about doing what we love and trying to help one another out. This thing is so new and shiny, of course, it sounds too good to be true, but like any technology, you have to try it and use it to understand what can be done straight out of the box and with that knowledge, come up with new and fantastic ways to create things no one else has seen or thought of before.
Lastly, there are so many talents in THIS community - I always end up here for great art and design, a good laugh and, different perspectives. I am sincerely looking forward to seeing what you come up with if you decide to jump on... I don’t have a big network, but I’m always available to chat and can push a link or two out into the ether if you need an extra hand - connect on IG: @jasonscuderi
Be well all and never stop creating!
- Like I've said before:
Good for the people making money off their work and good for the people making money off the trades.palimpsest - Why do people collect art?
To avoid taxes & the status it gives them. They might have a genuine interest that makes them choose art over other things.palimpsest - Why do people trade art?
To make money. Buy low, sell high.
I don't see the emotional side to this NFT "investing".palimpsest - The tokens are not the art, people are paying for tokens. They are not buying "art". It's a good thing that the "artists" are making money in the process.palimpsest
- From where I stand, a more genuine way to support and connect with a digital artist is through a platform like Patreon.palimpsest
- At the time this NFT trading seems like y'alls playing Chutes/Snakes and Ladders pretending to be high rollers.palimpsest
- The idea that people are "collecting art" is false from the point of view of technology and the artworld.palimpsest
- I don't see the link with Netflix. When you pay for Netflix you pay for a service, like electricity and gaz. Do you get to keep the electricity?palimpsest
- Would you download a car?palimpsest
- i dont´t wanna feel like an ape discovering a bone, who´s head am i gonna bash in ?nature´s pretty face ? anyway looking forward how it will evolve still.neverscared
- What bothers me is the obstinance that this is disrupting the system. While it's only mimicking it in a poor way.palimpsest
- On the Netflix analogy:
These tokens are pointing to YouTube videos. While not even being part of the YouTube platform.
So art.
Much value.palimpsest - NFTs have not value outside of the platform they are traded in. If the platform goes down you are left with your dick in your hand.
U R NOT BUYING THE ARTWORK.palimpsest - Ya'll SO playing the system in YOUR FAVOR that you're paying to mint your work.
Like paying to upload your vids to YouTube?palimpsest - Ya'lls just feeding the system.
All I want is honesty.palimpsest
- Like I've said before:
- palimpsest1
Buy low, sell high.
Disrupting the artworld.- 1/1 edition.palimpsest
- You’re posts are literally violenceGnash
- I literally died!palimpsest
- Hayzilla4
Great. Just getting my head round bitcoin, now this shit.
- Bitcoin is like being a GOT fan, NFTs are like are cosplay.
Clown Applying Makeup.jpgpalimpsest
- Bitcoin is like being a GOT fan, NFTs are like are cosplay.
- utopian0
Digital artist Beeple posted a new work of art online every single day for 5000 days.
Those pieces have been brought together in one digital collage EVERYDAYS: THE FIRST 5000 DAYS, minted as an NFT and is being auctioned off by Christie's.
The current bid is $3M
- I must be fucking stupid, because I really don't get it.utopian
- lolBluejam
- Am I supposed to squint my eyes to see somethingdrgs
- https://en.wikipedia…utopian
- This is a sum of the artists work over 13 years. He's grafted this whole time and is now making millions from his art. No different to Banksy and co.microkorg
- I don't have a problem with the values associated with his work. The series he just sold came with actual prints, frame and beautiful packaging.microkorg
- This is reward from graft. BUT there are a whole lot of shite on these NFT art sale sites. Like animated gifs that someone has used up 2 mins to create.microkorg
- Now THAT's a pisstake!microkorg
- What a wasted opportunity to create a face out of those pixels lolgrafician
- a LOT of one a day artists are pissed off right now.....dkoblesky
- million dollar web page ?Krassy
- Mama's stirring Mac & Cheese with her new friend in the room next door while you getting a hard on looking at your Pokemon cards.palimpsest
- For utopian: https://twitter.com/…StoicLevels
- drgs0
https://docs.google.com/document…
"What can I do with tweets that I own?
You are able to resell them on Valuables or display them in your online gallery. As with any collectible, you can choose to just keep it in a private collection."To sum up, you can't do shit with tweet that you own.
NFTs which contain unique download links (something for bandcamp?) I can have truck with, though.
- StoicLevels0
Ok so digital art is big time now. I get it.
Cool. Memes are going to bank!- https://twitter.com/…StoicLevels
- I watched that and now i think i get it but i probably don't.StoicLevels
- Krassy2
The problem of CryptoArt
- dkoblesky1
This is where all the cool kid are going to make nfts that don't hurt the environment. It is based on some kind of different protocol and a different cryptocurrency (xyz)
see if you can figure out the navigation though....if you do please pass it along
- nb0
Can't help but think about all the other art movements that were ignored for years then suddenly bought up in a frenzy and people were like "what? that stuff? people are paying for that? WHY?"
Feels like every big art period, no?
- The nft isn’t the subject or style or medium though.monospaced
- It's also not about the art, but about the desire to get money quick.grafician
- funny tho' because the more ppl get on it, the costs will grow for all, raising the minimums while only rich "artists" will afford mintinggrafician
- minting is free on openseafadein11
- ^apparently you're wrong: https://blockonomi.c…grafician
- well I'm not as I have minted a couple now. The buyer pays the minting on opensea.
Perhaps sign up and try it yourself.fadein11 - there is a one off transaction to set up a collection. Crikey, at least use the thing before dismissing facts.fadein11
- from your article: "After that, listing items for sale doesn’t require gas – just a digital signature from your wallet to approve the listing."
I paid $25ishfadein11 - to set up a collection, now minting is free. Your article states it.fadein11
- grafician-1
^
"If NFTs are the future of art, they certainly are not a revolution but rather a reinterpretation. Being christened as “important” is still essential. With the traditional art houses now moving into the space, even the conventional gatekeepers aren’t going anywhere. Spending $1,000 to create a collection is not accessible to everyone. The technology is clunky (though getting better), even if cute foxes make it appear approachable.
Where do NFTs go from here? More tools will come out to make it easier to buy, create, sell, and display. As others have pointed out, with any painting, the physical materials might only represent $100 of cost, the rest of the value is “virtual.” It’s the context, the narrative, the story, the provenance. NFT art perfectly captures these underlying forces. Humans have been seeking ways to collect, signal status, and be part of larger narratives for thousands of years. Now we’re just going to be doing it with digital images.
And my NFT career? The next morning I received a bid of .05 ETH (about $76) for each of my four NFTs. The Ethereum gas fees for accepting the bids? $88...each.
But I sold one, because even if I lost $12 on it, I’m now, technically... a professional NFT artist."
- there's other platforms other than eth you know, so the gas argument only works there.ESKEMA
- ^who knows about them besides you?grafician
- the discussion about NFTs is bigger than the underlying chainESKEMA
- ^this thread is full of articles and info about how this shit is a bad idea, yet you continue to act like a crypto botgrafician
- ^this thread is full of articles and info about how this shit is a good idea, yet you continue to act like a shit botESKEMA
- microkorg0
NFTers,
I take it that you have to list different artworks on different platforms, you cannot have the same for sale on each?
Or can you but then when it sells the other platforms know its sold?
- in theory you could...if they are on the same blockchain...but I don't think it works yet (that's a pure guess) and platforms forbid it in the terms of use.uan
- artistic solution would be...make one blue, the other red and a third one green :-) force the collectors to hunt your art.uan
- ^ thats a crazy idea - i'm gonna do it !_me_
- That is a nice idea :)
What is crazy is when you see a run of works from an artist, its the same image but theyve literally just changed hue in photoshop.microkorg - NFT only have value on the platform they are sold. You are not selling the work. Unless specified otherwise you have the full rights to your work.palimpsest
- You can sell t-shirts with the jpg on your own site if you want.
The token is not the work & the token doesn't contain the work.palimpsest - That's the beauty of the scam but y'all don't want to see it for what it is.palimpsest
- Seems like the best thing to do is to launch your own platform ;)microkorg
- I post different styles on 3 different sites - 3D animation, Hand-drawn animation, and static illustration...antimotion
- dkoblesky0
some observations about this insanity
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This is an acknowlegment of HOW MUCH we have moved our lives online. Remember Beanie Babies? that was crazy too, but it was irl so it seemed more acceptable. This is weirder because it is all online. There a lot of people that just accept it. Others are like.....this is just a bunch of pixels....how much of online life seems like real life to you.....that is an interesting question
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this is a paradigm shift kinda like the ones below but different in key waysgoing to movie theater > renting a video cassette > getting your DVD from Netflix in the mail > Streaming
going to record store to buy Vinyl/cassette/CD > buying mp3s from Apple or wherever > streaming
This is not exactly the same....because people are buying something that we were getting for free.....but it is still the same paradigm shift - just for art...the end is not clear yet
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If this keeps going, which it seems like it will in some form or other - integrity will matter.....so this idea of making the same work with different hues....you know, think hard about that.
- In a clubhouse chat this afternoon there was a fella who has "broadcasts" (streams) digital art and dj mixes much like MTV AMP back in the day.antimotion
- Beanie Babies was never acceptable unless you were a Beanie Babies freak yourself.palimpsest
- This is not about the work (even less about , this is about making $ through speculation. People are making the same type of work. There's nothing new about it.palimpsest
- *(even less about art)palimpsest
- disagree....there is smoke that makes it seem that way.....but the art is behind all thisdkoblesky
- 50% greed , 25%interresting, 25% toxic for the planetneverscared
- @dkoblesky
If in your worldview Beanie Babies was acceptable then of course we're going to disagree on everything else.palimpsest - Look....MY ART....I just sold 2 pieces on Known Origin....is sincere art. And I am not the only onedkoblesky
- the headlines are not always the whole storydkoblesky
- There you go! You just talked about selling and quantities sold. I'm happy creators are getting paid.palimpsest
- Since you consider yourself an artist how has NFT changed your approach to making art and the artwork itself?palimpsest
- not a bit....of course this is new. I think about how the collector may use it...resolution...et... my approach is the samedkoblesky
- I rest my case.palimpsest