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I thought one thing the movie really failed to do was show how Joker started a movement. There wasnt really any scenes showing people getting inspired by him or his actions. Just all of a sudden protesters start showing up in clown masks. It wasnt until the very end when they pick him up off that care and he stands above his followers. The movie needed to drive it home better what sort of impact he was making in the middle of the movie and it didnt try to at all.
All they needed was some scenes of groups of people maybe talking about him, like they did in the dark knight, or watching him on tv but they never did any of that.
- *off that carCygnusZero4
- Almost felt like the joker himself wasnt special at all. Could have been anyone.CygnusZero4
- Dunno, I connected the dots. Thank fuck they didn't have some dumb scene explaining everything to the audience.inteliboy
- @Cyguns, I think that was pointvalentim
- Actually weren't there a BUNCH of news story (tv/paper) blips and commentary from 'media' characters about how the 'clown killer' was inspiring a movement?mantrakid
- seemed pretty obviousmantrakid
- they did do that, it was just that the mob was rendered too simplisticallycannonball1978
- early on in film the shrink said things were really 'tense' out there, people were desperate... if I recallprophetone
- already at a tipping pointprophetone
- Joker had a twitter account that they didnt mention. They all organized over twitter. Fuck twitter.Beeswax
- We don't see "others" POV. Just Arthur. This is why we see no one chatting about it, or him, or anyone else motivation.robthelad
- I think the fact it wasn't spelt out for the dumb dumbs made it better, treated the viewer with some intelligence.TOMMYxGUNN
And the score by Hildur Guðnadóttir is fantastic
Thought it was alright, good performance from Phoenix.
The city/sets/environments were great.
that midget scene was great. lol
Did anyone laugh out loud at the jokes? I couldn't help it, such a funny movie.
So lemme get this right, is Joker batman's brother? Or is it just really a lie with the mom?
This film has to be one of the best so far this year, especially from a superhero origin-style perspective. Even showing loose connections to how the media can play such an important role in the degradation of society, the disenfranchised class structures in which so-called 'normal' people feel so disconnected from political power. How easy it is for one man to be pushed further and further to his breaking point yet inadvertently starting a movement in which 'killing the rich' sometimes felt like a narrative which could play out today. Phoenix has to be one of the most unhinged character performers on screen at the moment and it's a great joy to see him in a film like this. It was so simple in its story, but did he imagine the relationship with his neighbour or is that open to interpretation, just like his mothers apparent delusional mentality?
- I thought it was pretty clear that he imagined the relationship...it was like a mini Fight Club style twist.yuekit
- Yeah, I agree, but then I didn't want to make those assumptions as his mothers' delusions could've been made up by Bruces father pushing his power about?Ianbolton
Based on the reviews I was expecting something really shocking and controversial.
It really wasn't that... instead it was a solidly done film that tapped into the idea of rooting for the anti hero, which to be fair was pretty much the only way for a story like this to carry your interest. There's something inherently appealing about that but it's also a pretty common theme of films and TV of this era.
The biggest head scratcher was that Joker appeared to at least 45 while Bruce Wayne was about 10...you would have to imagine that once he finally becomes Batman Joker will not present much of a threat as a guy in his 60s or 70s.
- Some people reckon his character created the idea of the Joker, but wasn't the actual Joker from the comics.PhanLo
- Yeah I don't think it was much more complicated than that they just wanted Joaquin Phoenix for the role.yuekit
- ^ Hmm. Yea this makes sense as the person that killed his parents wasn't Joaquin.Hayzilla
- Who knows? There were a shit ton of Jokers by the end of the filmIanbolton
- I'm not a big comic book fan but doesn't Joker usually have a gang of clown mask wearing henchmen? I figured that's who those guys would become..yuekit
- He's a Joker but not The Joker.pango
- Could be the one 'joker' who went rogue and shot Bruce Wayne's parents becomes the actual Joker later?Akagiyama
- What Pango said ^^haga
- Wasn't orig Keaton Batman 40-ish and Nicholson Joker 60-ish? You could argue that JP Joker is in 30sprophetone
- You know the 1989 Batman movie... the only one that mattered?prophetone