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- shapesalad0
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/a…
Brexit Is Killing the Great British Curry House
Somewhere in the country one more closes every day, as falling immigration squeezes staff and and a weak pound drives up costs.
Anurag Kotoky
18 November 2018, 05:00 GMT
Syed Joynu was in for a rude shock on a September morning when he walked into Indos—the curry house he owns just outside London. It was already 10:30 a.m. and not a single employee had turned up.Distraught, he called four of his Romanian staff. Nobody responded. Two others, who also quit their jobs the same day without any notice, later told him the Romanians had already left the country for good, and soon thereafter, Joynu, 62, was forced to shut down the business that earned more than 400,000 pounds ($500,000) a year.
Syed Joynu
Photographer: Luke MacGregor/Bloomberg
This was nothing like what he was promised in the Brexit campaign he supported. Joynu was told there’d be plenty of workers from South Asia and that restaurants specializing in spicy vindaloos would thrive if only the U.K. could break free from rules allowing the free movement of people between European Union member states.Advertisement
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Instead, immigration has become tighter, business has suffered, and the workers from eastern Europe he had come to rely on have fled. Getting chefs over to work in Britain’s cherished Indian and Bangladeshi restaurants is near impossible under current immigration laws: Even the Queen isn’t paying cooks in Buckingham Palace enough to comply with the rules on foreign skilled workers.
“We didn’t realize what would happen after Brexit and thought we’d be better off,” said Joynu. “If there’s a second vote now, I’d vote to remain in the EU.”
Indos is one of the many British curry houses closing down at a pace of one a day as a shortage of specialist kitchen staff makes the business impossible to run.
A notice on the window of the shut down Indos Indian restaurant in Chertsey.
Photographer: Luke MacGregor/Bloomberg
It’s an example of how Brexit is betraying the hopes of many who campaigned for it. With immigration considered a driving force behind the Vote Leave referendum win in 2016, the Brexit effect is clear in official data. The number of European Union citizens working in the U.K. fell by the most on record in the third quarter, and they’re not being replaced.Prime Minister Theresa May has a target of reducing net annual migration to the tens of thousands from more than 200,000 currently. Her government is aiming for a system after the divorce that gives ministers the flexibility to ease rules for countries with which they strike trade deals, with high-skilled workers prioritized and low-skilled immigration curbed.
Curry house owners sought to avoid a system like that when they campaigned for the U.K. to leave the EU. Almost two decades after chicken tikka masalawas unofficially declared Britain’s national dish, pro-Leave politicians promised restaurants higher inflows from South Asia with easier visa rules, shutting the door on European workers, allowing lower salary-thresholds to hire overseas staff and even regularizing undocumented workers.
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The number of EU nationals working in the U.K. has fallen by a record
Source: Office for National Statistics
Chefs are in short supply. The industry, which contributes $5.5 billion to the British economy a year, is struggling to find the additional 30,000 additional workers it immediately needs.
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Current rules mandate paying salaries of 35,000 pounds to offer a curry chef’s job to a South Asian, an amount out of reach for most of smaller restaurants, said Bajloor Khan, President of U.K. Bangladesh Catalysts of Commerce and Industry. When Buckingham Palace advertised for a royal chef earlier this year, it offered a salary of just over 21,000 pounds.
The other issue is providing evidence that a potential employee is skilled. Without enough formal establishments teaching hospitality or catering in places like Bangladesh and Pakistan, it’s hard to get visas even if the owners are paying the mandated salary, he said.
Conservative lawmaker Paul Scully says he’ll lobby for relaxing the rules for chefs as Britain revamps its system, but he sees the answer closer to home. “The only long-term viable solution” is “finding a more effective way to recruit chefs in the domestic U.K. market,” said the chair of the all-party parliamentary group on the British curry catering industry.
A chef cooks curry in the Indo Indian restaurant kitchen in Chobham
Photographer: Luke MacGregor/Bloomberg
That’s not what restaurants had in mind. Three years ago, award-winning chef Oli Khan marshaled his troops—150,000 workers from 12,000 restaurants across the U.K.—and campaigned hard for Vote Leave. As the secretary general of Bangladesh Caterers Association, he believed in Brexiteers like Boris Johnson and Priti Patel when they launched the campaign called “Save Our Curry Houses.”The industry, which traces its origins to 1809, now faces a painful decline, he said.
“I have been living in this country for 30 years, and I have never seen a crisis like the one we are facing at the moment,” Oli Khan said. “We have been given lots of false hopes. We’ve been used.”
- Nairn2
- brilliant. so much effort in to producing something seemingly half-arsed that goes out of its way to annoy everyone.Fax_Benson
- ^ So British********
- ahhhh, Stew!Ianbolton
- robotron3k-3
In the USA Trumo is a bit out there, but the single Brexit issue really did your country in... you guys are f'd.
The army has been drawing up secret plans to put troops on the streets to help with potential chaos in the wake of a no-deal Brexit.
Plans have been drawn up by the military for Operation Temperer, who usually help police on the streets in the threat of terrorism, in the event of a no-Brexit scenario.
- Thanks for the newsflash - we'd all been really happy with how well it seemed to be going.Fax_Benson
- I guess the british will lose their temperer alright********
- Lol Robo. Mind 3 days after Katrina when grown men were raping children in the Superdome? It'll never get that bad. That was good planning.PhanLo
- We're british - there wont be riots. people will say ho hum and get on with life.trooperbill
- @trooperbill what like in 2011?fadein11
- @trooperbill too young to remember the Poll Tax Riots?Bluejam
- @trooperbil...or the race riots in the 80sMorning_star
- @trooperbill...or the miners strikes.Morning_star
- @trooperbill..or the sectarian riots in N.IrelandMorning_star
- The 'sectarian riots' are more of a folk celebration than a protest, with the occasional murder or two.PhanLo
- chukkaphob1
Is Brexit British nationalism and arrogance?
The EU was supposed to be Europe's answer to the USA.
Arizona, Portland, Kansas, etc. are NOT looking to separate from the USA...
.......can someone explain?
- I doubt itFax_Benson
- it's not so linear I guess********
- @oey go on then? we'll comprehend the non-linear concept just as much. Is the EU not needed? It's 2018 after all. Times have changed.chukkaphob
- @ chukka sorry what? I think it's needed. I meant it is not linear in british nationalism and arrogance.********
- and in Arizona, Portland, etc...people speak the same language, there's different ethnical groups but are basically all americans...********
- and in Europe you know...200 something years of history against centuries and centuries aof identity building.********
- I understand your question and point, and there's something of that actually but it doesn't end there.********
- We the people never asked to join an EU superstate. We did vote to join a tarrif free trade zone. thats the difference.trooperbill
- @oey thanks for the points madechukkaphob
- @trooperbill I see that point, yeah. But what's the alternative? How's Brexit better? In a sense it's alienating everyone and asking for bigger tarrifs, etc No?chukkaphob
- lol fax, very dryNairn
- LOL @faxchukkaphob
- Britain has always been in the EU halfass because they never gave up control of their currency, just like Hungary and Poland. You guys didn't commit.robotron3k
- Fascinating insight again robo. Regular oracle.Fax_Benson
- @Robo currency? or nationalism?chukkaphob
- @chukkaphob would you want to be forcably entered into an agreement with no way out of it? its the principle of the thing.trooperbill
- Obviously Hungary and Poland are nationalist and protect their currencyrobotron3k
- Keep it up and Cali's going to get tired of paying for the rest of the US. The entire west coast could leave and come out ahead at this point...zarkonite
- it's easy. the cuntryside hates foreigners. end of.hans_glib
- @hans_glib good explanation. and simple. Tnxchukkaphob
- shapesalad0
https://www.independent.co.uk/ne…
Italy's former Europe minister, Sandro Gozi, told Global Future: "It is really odd that the UK hasn’t introduced compulsory registration for EU citizens/ID cards, or enforced the three-month rule, as we do in Italy and other countries. They help us to keep control of free movement within the rules.’
Yeah I had to register in Portugal after 3 months - didn't realise UK doesn't have such as system for EU migrants.
- shapesalad2
- May is the UK Hillaryrobotron3k
- Populist, can't keep her staff, pretends to be able to make a deal and can't deliver, loses popularity once ppl see her in action... yup that's totally Hillary.zarkonite
- She's a populist now?Nairn
- shapesalad0
Good perspective on business and brexit:
- Bluejam1
Where's your 48 you complete utter cunt?
- I wrote a letter to the government the other day...Fax_Benson
- hahaBluejam
- When it's all gone to shit after Brexit, he's getting his face folded.PhanLo
- Fax_Benson0
Andrew Bridgen got a bit of shit in The Times on Sunday. He's the known idiot who claimed all English People are entitled to an Irish passport, all Irish people can vote in UK elections etc etc.
- "thick as mash"
that's some next level take down shit right thereBluejam
- "thick as mash"
- Fax_Benson0
- WARNING - extreme ScotchFax_Benson
- Scotch?! What is this, a Pathé newsreel?!Nairn
- https://www.youtube.…Fax_Benson
- fuck! pathe links always send me down a rabbit hole. there goes my day you crazy clack-wanker.Gnash
- ha, sorryFax_Benson
- As an aside, here's my great uncle welcoming people into a televised barn dance back in '57.. https://www.youtube.…Nairn
- ^ coolGnash
- that's great - and a pretty slick intro.Fax_Benson
- He he he, she's funny. Her Trump protest was pretty good too.PhanLo
- shapesalad0
https://www.designweek.co.uk/iss…
in summary:
Draft Brexit Deal: How It Could Affect Designers And Creative Businesses
Assuming May's plan does go through, the plan is likely to have an impact on the design and creative industries."Our prosperous creative industries and their artists - musicians, dancers, artists, designers - rely on freedom of movement for work," she says.
"Why would take a UK studio or designer when they could take someone from the EU?". Additionally, the Government's draft agreement implies there could be higher fees and potential loss of access to study grants and loans for EU students who are not permanently based in the UK, which could put them off from studying here.
Currently, all designs created within the UK are protected by both EU and UK design laws, including unregistered design rights, which are automatic, and registered design rights, which designers need to apply for.
EU design rights will no longer apply to designs created or used in the UK, meaning a design's protection across European countries will disappear - but the Government has confirmed that it will grant national rights in place of these so designers "Do not have any loss of rights or gap in protection in the UK". If designers or businesses have already registered their designs under EU law, they will not need to pay a fee and do not need to do anything - the transition to the new UK rights will be automatic.
Dawton says the organisation is happy with what the Government has proposed on IP and copyright, particularly on not charging UK designers to transfer their rights over.
Many have interpreted this as an implied reduced ability for EU designers to remain in and travel to the UK, higher costs for trade of goods and services, and more bureaucracy and red tape around protecting designs through IP and trademark.
- < ^ If deal goes ahead, impact on design industry.shapesalad
- None of that will matter, once you break with the EU it's gonna look like Walking Dead over there. You better learn to fight zombies quick!robotron3k
- err the deal is to keep in europe so the impact will be zero until the europeans let us out of the contract which lasts for the next 100 years - its no brEXITtrooperbill
- Yeah, I read the deal, not all sections, just the bits relevant to me, sounds ok... but yeah, better to stay in.shapesalad
- Nairn0
“Guardian.. is that you?”
https://www.theguardian.com/comm…
The most interesting take away from this, if true: ‘Even at its gloomiest, the Treasury cannot come up with forecasts that suggest the impact of Brexit will be anything like as serious as the financial crisis of a decade ago.’.
- interesting read. Still not convinced we have to leave in order to "tackle the structural problems that have plagued the economy for decades"Fax_Benson
- nice to get a differing perspective in the same publication thoughFax_Benson
- Depends which scenarios the Treasury are putting in their models I guess.Fax_Benson
- Bluejam0
Didn't realise ERG members included (from left to right) Bill O'Reilly, Sven-Göran Eriksson, Tom Conti & Michael Stipe
- Global Bahrain? So what?Nairn
- Bargain, surelyFax_Benson
- hahaNairn
- Such diversityIanbolton
- Fuck, imagine if the UK was ruled by conservatives like this? The creative industry would be pummelled to death by the colour beigeIanbolton
- Imagine? The UK IS run by conservatives like this. You think the young, media-friendly Conservative upstarts hold any power.Morning_star
- "young media friendly conservative upstarts" have I missed something?fadein11
- http://www.bbc.co.uk…Morning_star
- there are some really good, young-ish constituency MPs - both Labour and Conservative, especially women. It's the cabinets that are full of old dross.Fax_Benson
- shapesalad0
Balanced review of the Deal:
