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- HijoDMaite0
Apple Music, iCloud Music Library, iTunes?
What the Actual??
I just need to know if and when I stop paying Apple Music $9.99 per month, do I get to keep the albums I have downloaded while paying for the service?
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"the files are *.m4p (not mp4) and are DRMed, as soon as you cancel your membership the file is asking for login info to listen to it."HAYZ1LLLA - got it.HijoDMaite
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- dibec0
^ I believe not. You pay the monthly premium to license the music for that duration of time. That way Apple can stick it to you every month. Otherwise, I think people would download a years worth of music and bounce.
- makes sense. so I assume it's the same for Spotify and Tidal?HijoDMaite
- Those albums d-loaded during AM subscription are only there to listen to while offline then.HijoDMaite
- inteliboy1
I mean itunes really is a frustrating piece of shit to use.
- https://www.youtube.…dorf
- It has become bloated to all hell now - they should tear off the iOS app store and join it with the OS X app store - leave iTunes just for music.face_melter
- inteliboy1
what the fuck is going on over at Apple? feature overloaded itunes, stupid extra 2 physical buttons watch interface, axeing anything pro about their pro software, phones copying the stupid fad of large phablets etc etc.
Seems like all they do these days is listen to what their shareholders want... which most of the time is rubbish and without vision.
- Their shareholders are ecstatic btw, and the people keep buying nonsenseWeyland
- I dunno. Due to endless problems, I finally relented and replaced my Apple TVs and iTunes with a Roku boxes and Plex and I am bloody thrilled.ETM
- Apple was supposed to alleviate my headaches and now-a-days they cause the majority of them.ETM
- Only really long term share holders are happy, below the 200 day moving average now, which hasn't happened in yearsformed
- Ben990
whats are the best alternatives to manage music outside iTunes? On Windows.
- MusicBee seems cool, lots of features http://getmusicbee.c…Ben99
- Ben990
Do you have ownership of what you download with Spotify?
- Spotify is just streaming.monospaced
- You cannot download albums for offline listening?Ben99
- yeah, but you don't actually have the files... so technically you aren't really downloading them? Apple Music also has offline listening. same crapmonospaced
- but you really download the tracks with AppleMusic. You have the files on your hard disk.Ben99
- really? I thought you had to buy tracks through iTunes store to actually have the mp4 filesmonospaced
- the files are *.m4p (not mp4) and are DRMed, as soon as you cancel your membership the file is asking for login info to listen to it.Ben99
- But you really have the files locally on your hard drive.Ben99
- I saw in Google some tools to remove the DRM on Spotify files, so i guess its the same thing for Spotify, you can download the tracks.Ben99
- I guess legally you don't own them since you really only pay to stream. Hence the drm. Makes sense.monospaced
- I've become less concerned with actually owning music files. It's just sound. As long as I can access the sound somehow, it's fine.iCanHazQBN
- ... and doesn't take up storage on my HD. If I have a laptop with 250GB HD and 50GB is music, that's a big chunk of memory used up.iCanHazQBN
- Streaming through Spotify still takes up HDD space - audio is cached as it plays and is reset after a time - they removed the option to limit the storage.face_melter
- utopian0
What Went Wrong?
Nearly a month after Apple’s streaming music service launched, popular Apple commentator Jim Dalrymple declared Apple Music a nightmare.
Dalrymple detailed how his personal music library was a mess after enabling Apple Music’s matching service. Songs were missing, duplicated, or placed in the wrong album altogether.
After countless hours of trying to correct the problem, Dalrymple eventually just turned off Apple Music across all of his devices. The result? 4,700 songs disappeared into thin air, or so it appeared.
- Why would anyone even trust the makers of iTunes with their file management? First thing I turned offWeyland
- Wolfboy1
@Ben & Mono
The whole online/offline/tracks on your hard drive is one of my bugbears when it comes to Apple music too.
At the start of this year I spent ages re-ripping my hard collection as lossless files; getting anal about tack titles, art work etc. It took me a few months to complete the project. When Apple Music came along I switched on all the various bits and bobs to get the most out of it and I suddenly started getting duplicated tracks, incorrect art work and lower bit rates; I believe this happened because I'd changed meta data on the existing tracks in my library so Apple no longer recognised them.
I've read in many places from people who are equally nerdy when it comes to their library that they've encountered the same problems. So after the Spotify Discover Weekly appeared (as previously mentioned by Mono) I took the decision to keep my own music and streaming music separate.
I have also recently started a Sonos system at home, so iTunes has pretty much been relegated to just being the base library and ripping software because I'm using Sonos' software & apps with a NAS drive. This also lets you use Spotify at the same time as accessing your library anyway.
- iCanHazQBN0
I've been using Spotify Premium for the past few days. Love how easy it is to discover new, good music in the Browse section.
Haven't tried Apple Music yet. Is it similar to Spotify?
- i think yes. but the A.I. is kinda dumb for suggesting you stuff.Ben99
- Browsing isn't quite as good in my opinion. Spiritual wins here too.monospaced
- Spotify not spiritual. Lolmonospaced
- i heard Spiritual is tha shit right now in Bangladesh.Ben99
- sarahfailin0
It's called getting your own MP3s. There's no ads. You control your playlist. You listen to entire albums. Hell you can even pay for them if you want to. ...Or not.
- buying mp3 is a thing of the past. pay for wavs if you dj or buy tangible format if you truly want to support.Miguex
- to be fair, one of the great things about all these streaming services is that you can discover new musicmonospaced
- You can still discover new music: www.mp3.com has a Free MP3 of The Day. BOOM.nb
- I discover/buy most of my music from Bandcamp now - I don't stream anything and gladly pay for individual albums instead of a subscription.face_melter
- yea. Im with face_melter bandcamp ftwAl_dizzle
- Oh yeah bandcamp is very popular among 27 - 40 year-old men.nb
- a "free mp3 of the day".... oooooh wow! [sarcasm]iCanHazQBN
- qoob-5
Cool, gonna try it out. It's nice to play all this music instantly in iTunes.
- hahaha, why so many downvotes to this response?lvl_13
- mine was downvoted too, and I didn't even express an opinion, lolmonospaced
- Fuck this post in particular!iCanHazQBN
- ideaist0
I've been on board thus far for NEARLY everything Apple since switching over from a PC environment in the late 90's.
That being said, alternatives to Apple Music (across device):
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PLEX -> https://plex.tv/
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VOX & Loop -> http://coppertino.com/
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Both of the above allow you to "own" your library rather than stream it abandoning ownership is favour of stream ability.
Apple, like any company of its size cannot be jack of all trades and we have the obligation to adjust to said shortcomings and use smaller, superior software/services/etc.
- ownership is favour = ownership IN favourideaist
- the ownership is the point that will surely make me drop Apple Music. If i stop paying in 5 years, i will lose access to all the music i've downloaded.Ben99
- If you stop paying with any streaming service you lose the ability to listen too.monospaced
- utopian1
Apple Music is a mess, and it's alienating the company's biggest fans
Apple Music is shaping up to be Apple's worst received product launch since Apple Maps in 2012.
Apple Music, released in June, was supposed to be Apple's big splash into the world of subscription on-demand music and online radio. But it seems to have a lot of bugs.Longtime Apple watcher Jim Dalrymple wrote about his experiences last week, saying that the Apple Music app on his phone deleted more than 4,000 songs after presenting a bunch of confusing options that were hard to override. (He later got most of it back.)
- most likely a rushed release prompted by the streaming-music competition that has become such a circus!Krassy
- just cannot believe they used itunes, when half their biggest fans hate it already... terrible business decision. could have created a better ap in weeks withfadein11
- their resources.fadein11
- Yeah, true. However, iTunes is hated by the biggest fans, but not by the wider audience.... and they're after the wider audienceKrassy
- I think the wider audience tolerate a bad product because they dominate that market - not really Apple's ethos to be satisfied with sub-standard products, orfadein11
- never used to be.fadein11
- yup. sad but true.Krassy
- I think iTunes is despised by the larger audience too. THat's just me guessing though.monospaced
- monospaced0
When Apple Music first debuted, I was hoping for a useful implementation of its personal curation. I EXPECTED it to churn out playlists based on my preferences and listening habits. When I open Apple Music, and click on For You, I expect music lists curated for me. Instead I find these absolutely fucking useless list of artists and albums that I already own and listen to. Thanks... for nothing.
Following this initial disappointment and major missed opportunity by Apple, I went back to Spotify, ran the update, and found exactly what I was looking for with Apple Music: Discover Weekly. A playlist curated for me regularly based on music I like, and chalk full of new and interesting things.
This is exactly what Apple should have done. Instead, they just turned Apple Music into a nightmare UI that makes the whole concept of music discovery basically impossible. I've already ranted on how much I can't stand iTunes (and so has everyone else), but that pales compared to what was promised.
- <This. Discover weekly was the final factor in deciding to stick with Spotify for streaming.Wolfboy
- For me too.monospaced
- I feel like I should be able to open iTunes and have a huge "here's new awesome music for you" front and center.monospaced
- But switching between Mu Music and Playlists and Radio and For You is a fucking nightmare. No thanks.monospaced
- Ben991
the worst part of it for me is the nonsense of their UI ergonomy.
- majority of people must be totally lost in it.Ben99
- you said that already ,I thought.monospaced
- i know. i like repeating myself.Ben99
- stoplying0
Apple is fucking my shit up.
Stop being assholes, Apple.
- I read that today's iTunes update fixes the Match fuckups.monospaced
- Ben991
i'm trying to delete ALL my music library to have a fresh start with only what i really want, lots of junk accumulated during the years.
My desktop iTunes is empty, no music. (all my music is backuped on another drive+cloud, dont worry)
But my iPhone keep downloading my whole music database like i've never deleted it... Because i was using the iCloud music collection option... Like deleting on my desktop work but iCloud nope.
FUCKING HELL APPLE!
- Just turn off iCloud temporarily?monospaced
- Another Apple Innovation®utopian
- i turned it off and on... all my shit come back everytimeBen99
- just called support. they told me to do something that didnt work... I have an appointment tomorrow at a Genius Bar for a battery replacement, will talk to themBen99
- If you delete the songs from a computer with iTunes Match turned on, it works. I just tested it. If the file is also in your computer it'll warn you.monospaced
- i never subscribed to iTunes Match... The dude at Apple told me the same thing.Ben99
- i managed to succeed! That was SUPER complicated and unfriendly. -1 for Apple.Ben99
- If you didn't subscribe then why would you even expect them to be connected? Anyway glad you got it fixed.monospaced
- Ben990
Wow!
So many things needs to be fixed in iTunes/Apple Music... it's fuckin crazy! Did they even try to made a focus group to test that shit? Geezuz! Srsly ...
- i'm adding music in my library with Apple Music, but after adding like 20 albums, i noticed none of them has been added! Needed to add them a 2nd time to work!Ben99
- fadein111
Another Apple update screwing with people's lives.
http://thenextweb.com/apple/2015…- it's really unfortunate they didn't overhaul iTunes, because I am also frustrated with the confusing interface(s) ... wouldn't call it live-altering though :)monospaced
- So true about lots of points in this article.Ben99
- @mono - well they claim every update is life changing so if it fucks up surely the same applies.fadein11
- I missed that claim.monospaced
- Sorry I mean't every rehashed catch up productfadein11
- lol, i knowmonospaced