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- zaq-2
Google said, Good bye Flash for good
Flash, you inspired the web. Now, there are web standards like HTML5 to continue your legacy.
- utopian4
Let's Never Forget
- zaq7
Flash Is Responsible for the Internet's Most Creative Era
https://www.vice.com/en_us/artic…- The visual evolution of webdesign paints a picture of a risk-taking creative culture that hasn’t been quite the same since Steve Jobs stuck a knife into Flash.utopian
- Thanks Steve!utopian
- Adobe web product. Had nothing to do with Apple.monospaced
- responsive design also killed the creativity.hotroddy
- Adobe killed Flash before Applezaq
- Apple just put last mail in to the coffinzaq
- * nailzaq
- Working in some Flash based interactive infographics this now...OBBTKN
- Flash was great. So glad I was part of the generation able to create using it. Funtimes.matski
- Today Apple is slowly suffocating Apple.utopian
- web design was so much more fun with flash.dbloc
- SKIP INTROdbloc
- I loved Flash!boobs
- nb1
Yep, as I said, if you don't need Flash for work, just get it off your computer. The internet is fine without it.
- oey0
Won't install it again.
Fuck it.People send me links that require Flash Player...
Fuck it.
- organicgrid0
Firefox tiptoes toward a world without Adobe Flash
http://www.cnet.com/news/firefox…
- organicgrid0
Adobe Flash Update Plugs 11 Security Holes
Install ASAP before Adobe Flash cripples your browser!Once Again...Fuck You Adobe!
https://krebsonsecurity.com/2015…
- formed0
C'mon, do you really believe the bs that "battery life" mattered? Watch a video, phone dies, pretty simple. Flash ain't gonna kill it faster than that! He made billions from that move, that's the only logic. I tip my hat to him for balls to make a business move like that, but that's all it was. Battery life still sucks. That's a non issue. Apple's features are generally a few generations behind everyone else, call it what you will (perfectionism or complacency).
Jobs/Apple really genius was making money, pretty objects were just a means to get there. There is no company out there that controls the user in the name of profit like Apple does. Again, tip my hat, but that's what it is (if you look past the fanboy-isms).
Search was being fixed. That wasn't an impossible task, nor was it a prohibitive issue.
I won't argue that there wasn't crap, but at least it wasn't monotonous like it is now. It's getting slightly better, but moving at such a snails pace.
- If anyone gave a flying fuck about flash on phones they would have boycotted the iPhone for a model that supported it.monospaced
- Or adobe would have tried to make it work. Neither happened because apple didn't kill it. They just ignored it with ONE phonemonospaced
- Everyone knows video is battery-heavy but web isn't that much. People don't know what 'flash' is, they'd blame iPhone.raf
- Search of Flash content never really got fixed. Analytic number crunching drove Flash out and left it for page embellishment use only.raf
- Flash was really great, and no, it hasn't been surpassed yet. The problems it had could've been fixed by Adobe.raf
- Google was already getting their search methods within Flash before the iPad.CyBrainX
- I would have boycotted iphones for not having Flash if I didn't like just about everything else about them more than other phones.CyBrainX
- Same as everyone else Cy, and that is the reason Flash didn't survive. Nobody gave a fuck about Flash, ESPECIALLY ADOBE.monospaced
- Considering that EVERY smart phone competitor on the planet at the time DID run Flash just shows you how much Apple had JACK SHIT to do with its death.monospaced
- If people wanted Flash, they would have bought phones that ran it. Those that did were severely disappointed. Adobe said "fuck this, we're out."monospaced
- But if you want to blame the underdog with a whopping 2% of the market, go ahead. It's easy to do if you ignore the facts and like bashing Apple.monospaced
- fate1
Raf I totally agree that Flash deserved to die. All your points are correct about its drawbacks.
But as a tool for creativity, it hasn't been replaced and is sorely missing from our new web that resembles a phone book more than the future of interactivity.
- raf0
Also... it was a time of an aesthetic shift. The web was ripe for a reboot, for simplicity, for text-driven stuff... Think what punk did to prog rock in the late 70's — it rebooted the whole aesthetic and resulted in... the 80's, even if they were shit.
I hated that web reboot at first because it was going backwards in a way... but this is how the web evolves: in circles.
We stopped designing for 800px long ago and thought the only way was up and suddenly had to design for 320px again when smartphones were introduced.
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Also, one overlooked factor: Google search. Effectively, it did more to kill Flash than Apple did, and did it first.
- raf0
Remember those attempts at Flash portals like Roadrunner or that Fantasy Interactive's social network thing? They got redone in html pronto because they made no sense. Same with Ultrashock. And then...Praystation.
Jobs' policy was to remove from iPhone everything that would hinder user experience, given the limitations of the device.
When Flash eats up a whole battery in half an hour people won't say "Adobe is crap", they'll say "iPhone is crap".
This is also why iPhone didn't have multitasking for so long. I had it through jailbreak and it was a battery killer at the time. Apple only introduced it officially when they figured out how to make it play well with the battery — and it's still pretty much an issue today.
- fate0
Agencies were still doing big, ambitious flash sites as late as 2010.
That year was probably the last big heyday of Flash.
- formed0
Ooph! Go look at First Born's site now. I loved the timeline one they rocked for years. Now we have the mediocre WP-looking grid (which is fine, but after looking to them to be one of the leaders, I wouldn't look twice at the new site). Gotta be kinda sad for some of these pioneers.
I dare not look at Group94's new site, I might cry.
- inteliboy0
I loved the experimental flash stuff that happened in the first half of the last decade.
But really... it's a damn plugin people! Good riddance.
- fate0
@formed - Couldn't agree more.
- fate0
If you go through the archives of The F W A .com, you'll see a pretty clear dividing line after the iPhone and then the iPad launch.
- fate0
I think that's really wrong. If anything, Flash development accelerated during the 2000's
Seems like EVERY photographer had a flash site.
Flash agencies like Fantasy Interactive, group94, First Born, Big Spaceship, RGA (yes, these were primarily Flash design/dev agencies before they rebranded as "digital agencies of the future) hit their stride during the mid 2000's
- formed0
JQuery, etc., and this so called HTML5 stuff had promise, but it's been years and we are still not at the design possibilities of Flash was 12+ years ago.
This "standards mindset" has led to a barrage of generic websites, which has further been perpetuated with WordPress.For high end, design driven sites (a la "custom", NOT standard/generic), Flash was king and has yet to be surpassed. There are some great examples out there, dont get me wrong, but the cost to develop those are insane and stability/flexibility is far from what a single player had.
Adobe probably contributed to it, but Jobs killed it and guaranteed Apple a very profitable market in their app store. There's no other reason why he'd make such a stance. It was business smart and helped Apple to dominate the "app" world and market place.
- Fact remains that ALL other phones supported flash besides the iPhone. You can't say one phone killed itmonospaced
- ukit20
I guess it depends on your vantage point, if you are working on Flash sites for a living it might have carried on being a popular niche for longer.
All I'm saying is that looking at the scene as a whole, I could see a clear trend away from Flash in terms of the kinds of sites designers and agencies were making which accelerated during the mid 2000s. It had less to do with Apple and more with the emergence of jQuery and other JS-based solutions for what Flash was trying to do. No it didn't give you the ability to replicate everything Flash could do, but in many cases it was good enough there was increasing adoption of a "standards mindset" within the design community.
Also raf is absolutely right that Adobe shot themselves in the foot by trying to position Flash as a tool for rich internet applications, which was a dead end movement and alienated designers.
