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Flash Is Responsible for the Internet's Most Creative Era
- The visual evolution of webdesign paints a picture of a risk-taking creative culture that hasn’t been quite the same since Steve Jobs stuck a knife into Flash.utopian
- Thanks Steve!utopian
- Adobe web product. Had nothing to do with Apple.monospaced
- responsive design also killed the creativity.hotroddy
- Adobe killed Flash before Applezaq
- Apple just put last mail in to the coffinzaq
- * nailzaq
- Working in some Flash based interactive infographics this now...OBBTKN
- Flash was great. So glad I was part of the generation able to create using it. Funtimes.matski
- Today Apple is slowly suffocating Apple.utopian
- web design was so much more fun with flash.dbloc
- SKIP INTROdbloc
- I loved Flash!boobs
It's so sad who Adobe gave up on Flash. They could have fought for it a little bit.
- They don't give a fun.nb
- Can't compete with a Goliath like Apple. I am amazed they bothered to keep it this long. Sad.formed
- Leave apple out of it. At the time the iPhone was the underdog and was limited. Adobe had a chance to win.monospaced
- It was after the first iPad when the war escalated.CyBrainX
- lol mono http://cdn.meme.li/i…Hombre_Lobo
- yeh its a shame. sadly apple is a much bigger tech influence than adobe.Hombre_Lobo
- makes no sense why people let a tech company tell them what web formats are good or bad. what next, no gifs?Hombre_Lobo
- Apple didn't though. They were just one phone among many. And EVERYONE thought they would fail.monospaced
- Anyone and everyone else could have supported flash and kept it alive. Fact remains that flash still exists and can still be mobile.monospaced
- Flash was already dead, Jobs only noticed it before others. I loved Flash as a dev and in 2007 I saw it was on its way out.raf
- It was not dead before Jobs started the war. Google was behind Flash big time.CyBrainX
- I still get frustrated just thinking about it. Flash had a lot of potential that alternatives haven't come close to matching.CyBrainX
- It was dead, Adobe had killed it by ditching designers and trying to make it a software platform for Java programmers.raf
- Most good Flash designers I knew never learned AS3. They put a lot of effort into learning AS2, were sick of Adobe pulling the rug.raf
- All apple did was say their underdog phone didn't support flash. That is not a war my friend. Not even closemonospaced
- And if Google was backing them, what the fuck went wrong?monospaced
- What went wrong was Adobe gave up. They could have improved/adapted it like all their other software on a yearly basis.CyBrainX
C'mon, do you really believe the bs that "battery life" mattered? Watch a video, phone dies, pretty simple. Flash ain't gonna kill it faster than that! He made billions from that move, that's the only logic. I tip my hat to him for balls to make a business move like that, but that's all it was. Battery life still sucks. That's a non issue. Apple's features are generally a few generations behind everyone else, call it what you will (perfectionism or complacency).
Jobs/Apple really genius was making money, pretty objects were just a means to get there. There is no company out there that controls the user in the name of profit like Apple does. Again, tip my hat, but that's what it is (if you look past the fanboy-isms).
Search was being fixed. That wasn't an impossible task, nor was it a prohibitive issue.
I won't argue that there wasn't crap, but at least it wasn't monotonous like it is now. It's getting slightly better, but moving at such a snails pace.
- If anyone gave a flying fuck about flash on phones they would have boycotted the iPhone for a model that supported it.monospaced
- Or adobe would have tried to make it work. Neither happened because apple didn't kill it. They just ignored it with ONE phonemonospaced
- Everyone knows video is battery-heavy but web isn't that much. People don't know what 'flash' is, they'd blame iPhone.raf
- Search of Flash content never really got fixed. Analytic number crunching drove Flash out and left it for page embellishment use only.raf
- Flash was really great, and no, it hasn't been surpassed yet. The problems it had could've been fixed by Adobe.raf
- Google was already getting their search methods within Flash before the iPad.CyBrainX
- I would have boycotted iphones for not having Flash if I didn't like just about everything else about them more than other phones.CyBrainX
- Same as everyone else Cy, and that is the reason Flash didn't survive. Nobody gave a fuck about Flash, ESPECIALLY ADOBE.monospaced
- Considering that EVERY smart phone competitor on the planet at the time DID run Flash just shows you how much Apple had JACK SHIT to do with its death.monospaced
- If people wanted Flash, they would have bought phones that ran it. Those that did were severely disappointed. Adobe said "fuck this, we're out."monospaced
- But if you want to blame the underdog with a whopping 2% of the market, go ahead. It's easy to do if you ignore the facts and like bashing Apple.monospaced
Flash is still huge with ad banners. That will keep it going for a while.
- "flash only used for banner ads"
#1 reason to remove
- Yeah, but ads pay $$$ to sites. Sites aren't going to say no to loot.fyoucher1
- Don't remove it if you're the one working on those ads.CyBrainX
- Heh, yeah, plus I get loot, so def don't give it upfyoucher1
- "flash only used for banner ads"
I wonder when Adobe will officially pull the plug on Flash. Maybe about 10 years?
So, my hacker/programmer/geek housemate just came back from his weekend today...
"Flash is dead. You should stop using Flash and visiting websites that need Flash. Adobe doesn't give a fun and do any maintenance for Flash. Use HTML 5 instead. It's not as nice or neat but it's possible. You just need to change your settings. Fuck Flash."
He almost said Long Live Linux...
But this was another issue.
So, up Tuesday I will go deeper in this HTML 5 stuff...
And try to start living without Flash.
I loved the experimental flash stuff that happened in the first half of the last decade.
But really... it's a damn plugin people! Good riddance.
I think that's really wrong. If anything, Flash development accelerated during the 2000's
Seems like EVERY photographer had a flash site.
Flash agencies like Fantasy Interactive, group94, First Born, Big Spaceship, RGA (yes, these were primarily Flash design/dev agencies before they rebranded as "digital agencies of the future) hit their stride during the mid 2000's
Exactly raf. Before the iPad came out and Jobs issued his manifesto the trend among designers and developers was already to not use Flash and replicate as much as possible using JS. It's only once Jobs made his statement that Apple would not support Flash that people nostalgically came to Flash's defense and pretended Apple was the one that killed it.
- Not any sites I looked to, certainly nothing my clients wanted..it was all Flash until Jobsformed
- It was a great niche, probably still is for some, but for mainstream use it was already in decline.raf
- That's true, but that happened so long before it was a discussion.formed
It seems like ever week you need to update your Flash Player and or Acrobat.
If you don't need Flash for work, just get it off your computer. The internet is fine without it.
Yep, as I said, if you don't need Flash for work, just get it off your computer. The internet is fine without it.
Raf I totally agree that Flash deserved to die. All your points are correct about its drawbacks.
But as a tool for creativity, it hasn't been replaced and is sorely missing from our new web that resembles a phone book more than the future of interactivity.
Note that some malware / popup-ware tries to fake people out by pretending it us a flash player update... its pretty obvious to most techies but not everyone
I still don't quite get why Adobe didn't and hasn't yet pushed through a mobile standard for flash. I still feel like that window is open and they'd be welcomed through.
Flash animation app will still exist but will export out html5 animation instead of SWF.
Looking back now, I see an obvious limitation that flash had when transitioning to mobile.
Nearly all flash sites were 'above the fold' and the flash movie couldn't talk to browser scrollbar very well and movie dimensions had to be pre defined.
Then came responsive websites trend which made scrolling websites a huge trend.
I never saw any solutions for this with my time using Flash and actionscript.
I personally still love designing above the fold websites but you have to abandon the design for mobile.
That's just not true. At least not for my business or the others that we work with. Certainly nothing any clients wanted was, and still cannot easily, be done with js.
I find it the opposite, as soon as someone mentions how they miss the design and reliability of Flash people jump and start saying how it wasn't Jobs that killed it.
Jobs killed it, brilliant business move, nothing more to it.
But hey, what do I know.