Scottish independence
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- chossy0
No currency union no debt.
30,000 jobs from trident are you kidding me? I think you should look again at that! most fo those people are not Scottish and do not live in Scotland, those 30,000 jobs will be filled by the 39,000 jobs to be created in the oil sector, http://www.imeche.org/news/engin…
Scarce resources exactly how do you figure that one?
Clair
Clair, the first fixed platform in the west of Shetland area, started producing in 2005. With an estimated eight billion barrels of oil in place, it is the largest oilfield in Europe. The field was discovered in 1977, but it was only with significant advances in technology and innovative engineering that the first phase of development was made possible. Clair Ridge, the £4.5 billion second phase of development, was confirmed in late 2011 and will see two new platforms installed and production starting in 2016. In 2013, a major appraisal drilling programme began to help define a possible third phase of development for Clair.
This is just going to start to produce. LARGEST OIL FIELD IN EUROPE.
This is some more oil which hasn't been touched yet, pretty horrible reading isn;t it regarding the will of the empire to lie to the people os Scotland on that one :'(
http://www.sundaypost.com/news-v…
In regard to your last paragraph CORRECT greed has fucked the UK we had 300 years to get it right and it's not worked, we would like to give it a go ourselves from now I hope we do well.
- The paragraph on clair ridge is taken from the BP site I forgot to link the page.chossy
- http://www.bp.com/en…chossy
- So oil isn't a scarce resource.!?! And again you still owe £109 billion off the bat. What will you barter with if not THAT oilbabaganush
- So it proposes 30,000 jobs of which the profits go straight to Scotland debt free? Come onbabaganush
- chossy0
Also I'd be looking more closely at London's future if I were you.
http://www.euractiv.com/sections…
We don't want to be out of Europe at all but you fools down south voted the UKIP into being our majority representation in the EU and it looks highly likely that you will be voting us out the EU as well.
- Ukip us as much to do with places like Oldham etc. Disillusioned with both Tory and labour governmentsbabaganush
- Anyone. With a tad if I tells hence knows it's wrong but it's a form of extremism. The arguments her e pro yes constantly generalise 'us lot'babaganush
- Generalise 'you lot'. Which sometimes means English, sometimes means Londoners...babaganush
- Still a riveting thread though hehebabaganush
- chossy0
Trident job numbers.
- sem0
^ Its worrying that people believe fake edited footage like the above over actual CEO, Bank Managers etc on respectable news sources.
I mean, the guy didn't even open his lips on the last word lool such shit editing. And as if the BBC would not have cleaned up the sound etc.
Some people are willing to lead their own country into a lie, its crazy!
- See the amount of effort some will go to though? seriously mental shit to spread lies about the BBC. Nutters.sem
- chossy0
I think you should move on babaganush. You are not grasping any of this stuff at all.
We will only take on debt if we have a currency union with no union we will have very little debt, which will be worked through with oil money in a very timely manner. That will be the end of the discussion on this debt which you absolutely cannot grasp.
- i_monk0
- I've never been to Canada but seems like the kind of place I'd like to immigrate to.sem
- Canadians are very polite and welcoming, but the winter is deadly.zarkonite
- EU takes in over a million immigrants a yeard_gitale
- net immigration ~ 3/4 of a milliond_gitale
- The EU has the infrastructure for it. Canada's population is 1/14th the EU's.i_monk
- trued_gitale
- and seriously, most of that land is inhabitable. You euros have no idea what cold is.zarkonite
- er, uninhabitable.zarkonite
- hehe :)benfal99
- sem0
@ Chossy
Just for the record, me mentioning racism was not just a random dig. Again I was just referring to facts.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rac…
- chossy0
39,000 jobs to be exact.
- babaganush0
You seem to grasp dent as much as Alex Salmond. Again I've outlined argument based in trading reliability of a newly established nation that perhaps as you say isn't part if the currency but already had a blase attitude to debt commitments so a bit less patronising please. Again who is your trade based on.
You were selling the Brits beef two comments ago whilst now writing off billions of debt with the wave if a hand that is being frowned upon by Alex Salmonds apparent attitude that it is going to be allowed to happen.
- rosko_picachu0
Two things:
http://bellacaledonia.org.uk/201…Th audio is not the best, but listen to this. Stuart Cosgrove works at the BBC and is high up in Channel 4.
- bliznutty0
democracy they say, is like 2 wolves and 1 sheep deciding what's for dinner
i don't get it either.. if 51% of a population feels a certain way, i don't think that 49% should have to suffer. the world is big enough to hold different ideas, have many nations of diversity, why is that it has to be one big ol' group? i'd prefer to live in a world of virtual nations, where individuals choose the system they want to support and be supported by, or don't choose one at all. democracy IMO still is a type of unfair force-feeding of the masses..
- bumdrizzle0
The debt probably won't be walked away from, just like a full currency union isn't definitely off the table (Carney only said full sovereignty isn't possible in a currency union, not that it wouldn't happen). Trident will likely have to stay for a considerable length of time, probably on a lease. These are all bargaining positions. You don't offer what the lowest you would settle for before negotiations have even been entered into. Negotiations the SNP asked for incidentally, the UK gov refused as it suits their position to encourage uncertainty.
The UK gov could also have asked the EU for clarification on Scotland's position if independent (the SNP can't) but again they refused for the same reason.
The UK gov - Cameron specifically - also refused a third option on the ballot, 'devo max' - the same powers being offered now illegally as postal votes have already gone out.
Nobody is saying this is going to be a Utopia, Salmond himself is on record numerous times saying it will be hard - not a favoured soundbite for the media though. A media that bar one newspaper is exclusively hostile to independence.
There is information out there, but it's a little hard to come by. Quoting the Daily Mail doesn't suggest you have looked very hard.
- Correct. Hey my bike is for sale for £100 I'll take £80 lets begin haggling.chossy
- Daily mail was just a quick ref because I can't be bothered to look harder and their SEO
Must be quite goodbabaganush - But look through the thread! In context there is lots if utopia talkbabaganush
- Btw I applaud your comment. We didn't arrive here by well reasoned thoughts like thatbabaganush
- rosko_picachu0
For those who commented about the lip synching issue.
- rosko_picachu0
Two things:
http://bellacaledonia.org.uk/201…Th audio is not the best, but listen to this. Stuart Cosgrove works at the BBC and is high up in Channel 4.
- chossy0
We buy a house you and I, I say I'm not living here anymore I offer to pay my fair share in return for say one room out of four (four nations get it?) but you keep house and refuse to give me any of the rooms, only an imbecile would pay you money.
This will be the final word.
- Only this is debt checking on an inescapable level. So your options for landlord are severely limited as is your accomodation standardsbabaganush
- Standardsbabaganush
- bumdrizzle0
I'm sure babaganush also understands that a large amount of the deficit is simply an accounting position to accommodate the quantitative easing (printing money) that was required to bail out the banks. In effect the UK owes itself money. And the debts are serviced with interest payments. Not payable in full on demand.
- Actually, I'm way out my depth on this. But it's worth reading up on.bumdrizzle
- oey0
Read two interesting articles, in Portuguese, about facts and myths about Scottish people.
One fact is that Scottish (regular people) give yearly more to charity (£356) than people in London (£268).
They mention also that this fact is more impressive has in London people have in general more 25% income.Didn't know as well that mopeds were not so popular in Scotland.
I guess that Mod thing was not popular over there.Has anyone seen the GB flag without Scotland's color innit?
If there's no green in the United Kingdom or Great Britain flags why would it be there now?It should be there, right?
Welsh should be also represented.
Well maybe they would prefer not to...hehehe!United Kingdom
Great Britain
Scotland
Northern Ireland
England
Wales
Note how the Flag of Wales doesn't have any cross...
Fucking Pagans!
Yeah!
- fadein110
- Hahababaganush
- A film based on real life. Vote yes!!ukit2
- < i know - it still amused me though. like kids will grow up thinking 9/11 was a moviefadein11
- I don't understand tho, he lost he freedom when he lost his head? how did he win?sem
- brits killed the jock no?fadein11
- yeah, he died and they did end up becoming part of the UK so I don't understand the point of this film?sem
- Is it not basically a film about a guy that tried but wasn't able to live in freedom. Whats the message? lolsem
- and awful facepainting skills - thats meant to be the joker.fadein11
- rosko_picachu0
So essentially it's a whole new industry we can then use to tailor our education system around.