Pulling the plug on a website
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- 74LEO0
imagineering!!!
Love it homie!
Get laid-n-get paid!
- bulletfactory0
I didn't feel like reading all the content on the site, but when it went to further explain how, "Normally there is no question of paying one’s dues. It is simply a matter of morals..." blah blah, it's seems counter productive and only serves to hurt their business.
I might have taken down the site with a line that says due to non-payment, but I'd have left it at that; not written a long, drawn-out justification.
oh, and awesome lens flare gif animation at the bottom.
- If you click through to the examples of work, he calls them all kinds of stupid names, like "bag of dicks"monospaced
- i just logged in to say something similaruuuuuu
- monospaced0
http://talent.adweek.com/gallery…
"All part of the same project they refuse to pay for. Mainly because they're soulless dicks."
" Bags of dicks in spandex."
"Did I mention those people are a despicable bag of dicks?"
- animatedgif0
"dozens of hours combining lighting and material properties on calibrated display and expensive Norm Light setups to get the f'king Pantone color to match in-render"
Why bother? It just looks like a bunch of layer effects in the end anyway. May as well have done it in Illustrator instead of trying to "match" a render to a pantone.
Can't help but think maybe he misunderstood what sort of client this was (shit out and move on job surely) and instead he's trying to charge them a shitload for the time he's spend wanking off in 3D apps and the costs spiralled out of control which whoever was in charge of it at SF didn't want to deal with.
- uuuuuu0
should just put a website down message and send some variation of this webpage in email format. its irresponsible and even dangerous legally to take business issues like this public.
- elahon0
It's back up.
- nb0
Immature move. Why do small-time web designers do this? It's like they take every account personally. I can't think of any other industry that pulls this shit. Lame.
- he explained why, tons of workmonospaced
- every industry pulls this shit... have you ever tried to not pay your medical bills or your rent?monospaced
- Other industries don't try to embarrass you publicly. They don't whine in public. They just hire someone to get the money.nb
- dude, one of my friends didn't pay for a prescribed penis pump, and the dr posted to web "Carlos has a tiny weiner"mg33
- " one of my friends..."
riiiiiggghhhttt :)ETM - Your'e right.monospaced
- haha mg33instrmntl
- ETM0
No doubt a liable lawsuit is coming his way.
At the end of the day, if they weren't paying milestone invoices... STOP working. It's basic checks and measures like milestones that prevent this.
- thisidentity
- It's not libel unless it's untrue.
You know it's untrue, AND you intend to damage the other party. Otherwise, you're ok.mikotondria3 - Not cut and dry. "whether true or false, depending on legal state"
http://en.wikipedia.…ETM
- omg0
I'm glad to see a design company take matters into their own hands. They were thoughtful enough to explain in detail, to helps me as a consumer know, not to do business with this company. I'm bet the design company will still has to incur a financial loss. But as a consumer, I've been warned that these guys from fitnesssf.com should not be trusted. No different that stars and reviews on Amazon.com
Staying quiet on such matters may only help businesses like these succeed in ripping off more people in the future. As long as the statements were true, and is not a reckless disregard for the truth, then simply stating truth in this case should not be held for liability.
"If you see something, say something" - nyc subway announcement
- As a consumer, I would now know not to do business with EITHER company.ETM
- i would not fear speaking the truth, let alone listen to fear mongers forbidding to inform others of noteworthy informationomg
- ... and truthful informationomg
- There is truth done professionally and there are tantrums, with links to pages you call them "bag of dicks".ETM
- He could have removed it and called a collection agency. He could even liened their business.ETM
- there are many ways to issue justice. a collection agency would take a cut to get your money backomg
- i actually thought the page was rather professionally created.omg
- simply put, this page can easily be removed if the client pays up. why is that so hard?omg
- It's called liable and defamation. That's why. The public also has one side of the story.ETM
- For all we know, he could be full of shit.ETM
- it's only liable and defamation if based on lies. the client would have to prove this in court.omg
- so the truth shall set you free!omg
- If he was full of shit he wouldn't have done this though.monospaced
- That is not always the case:
"whether true or false, depending on legal state"
http://en.wikipedia.…ETM - And "malice" can play into it, as well.ETM
- to tell you the truth it's spelled libelAmicus
- ok_not_ok0
- fucking facebook links - it's like a whole chunk of the internet, rendered invisible to me. cunts.detritus
- you're not missing shitmonospaced
- link doesn't even fucking work. Just fails silently fuck Facebookanimatedgif
- GeorgesII0
Miko, so u lift?
- ETM0
What he did, if the domain and server were owned and paid for by SF Fitness 'could' be viewed as hacking. Which is now an actual crime, versus a defamation suit.
- this, again.identity
- Even if hired, now he would need to produce written consent to access the server.ETM
- If he even had a contract, was that included?ETM
- BTW, if it's not in yours... add it!ETM
- these are pure speculations. SF Fitness would have to prove they paid for the domain and not design servicesomg
- Hence the word "IF"ETM
- Paying for the domain is almost irrelevant. It's who the domain ownership is registered to.ETM
- It's has privacy on, so I can't check with a WHOIS lookup.ETM
- Additionally, for hacking, the server is the primary issue, including ownership and access.ETM
- identity0
The initial action is good.
The long, drawn out diatribe was childish.
They will be sued for this.
- identity0
In some small way, we all probably benefit - an extreme and liabilous action on the part of a disgruntled designer will make this company (and those that read about it) think twice before skipping out on payment. It also may mean a redaction in trust and access.
- ETM0
@identity - It's inside baseball. Other than us designers/tech people and SF Fitness customers, no one will really know. It's not going to resonate amongst many people it would need to.
- ETM0
He should have pulled the site, called a collection agency and looked into putting a lien on their business (assuming contracts were intact). It's often very easy to do.
Handle it like a professional. All this sound and fury will be forgotten by tomorrow. His legal bills could last for years and his reputation is damaged. He may go up a few pegs within our industry, but they are not his consumer.
Is there a PayPal donate button up yet?
- omg0
Sorry, I don't take kind to thieves or shoplifters. I don't think anyone should support the efforts of criminal acts to go on without due justice. In either case, it'll go to court if anyone wants to get financial services repaid, sue for defamation. Most likely a wasted effort, unless your designer is loaded, rich, or wealthy!
simply put, this page like this can easily be removed in two seconds if the client pays up. why is that so hard?
- monospaced0
They respond on their FB page:
"On Wednesday evening, our domain name Fitness SF was hacked and stolen by an individual named Frank Jonen. Frank was hired on May 16th, 2012 to develop a functional website for our brand. A $5,000 payment was made to him on the same date. In his proposal, he stated that the website would take 10 weeks to complete. He missed numerous deadlines including our brand launch in September. In December, he voluntarily passed the incomplete and non functioning website to our new design firm.
Now, Frank is attempting to portray himself as the victim when truly the victim is Fitness SF as he attempts to get paid for work he did not complete and has decided that blackmail is the way to accomplish that.
Fitness SF"- ETM, you were right.monospaced
- More than one side to the story. The comments on the page are hilarious too. I can't believe SFFitness is responding.monospaced
- And somewhere in the middle lies the truth.ETM
- moldero0
- hahaomg
- Sonny Nguyen from Isagenix!sureshot
- lol do you know this sonny?
is that where he works now?
nice dude, shoulda paid my ass thoughmoldero - nope ..google. Sonny Nguyen is on facebook. https://www.facebook…sureshot
- PS friday? https://fbcdn-sphoto…sureshot
- < LOLmoldero
- You did this over $1800 in non-payment?wordssssss