PC vs MAC
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- twokids0
yes yes yes yes thank you Vaxorcist!!!!!
It's about the software!!!
I don't care whether I am using Photoshop on Mac or Window or BeOS....I care about the software that enables me to create things.
Now I could have a major issue if someone said I had to use Corel Paint instead of Photoshop.....that would matter.
- funny, I find that CS has better window management on windows... the tabs just work better.zarkonite
- ernexbcn0
Use whatever you feel more comfortable with. In my case it's OS X.
- monospaced0
That's the thing, twokids, you're 100% correct that it's about the software! I use both a Mac and a PC, simultaneously and together, all day long every day. I have them connected through the network and via other cables all day, and they even share a keyboard and mouse.
So, like you said, based on software, the Mac still wins. Mac OS provides so many useful usability features that make workflow so much easier. I know you were talking about Adobe software and such, but I can't help bring in the OS. Adobe software is the same across platform, but it's OS X that is truly the difference-maker here. More key commands in the finder, quickview, expose, spaces, automation, scripts, the far superior real-time searching, smart folders, smart searches, consistent windows. I think Apple wins here.
- true... I use both all day long too... slightly prefer mac keycodes, but slightly prefer some winblows stuff too...vaxorcist
- i_monk0
Windows and Macs may be able to run the same design software and browsers and music players and such, but those things aren't in isolation. The OS and its GUI/UX matter. The things you have to do to protect your privacy matter. The ease of buying it in the first place matters too. I sure as hell don't want to deal with making sure my sound card is compatible with my motherboard, upgrading various processors to find they don't work with my software, or buying software that won't run because I have a slightly different version of the OS.
I've been strictly Mac for about 5 years now (not that I'm an Apple slave, I have an Android phone) but every couple of months I have to help someone on a Windows machine do something and it just reaffirms my choice.
- vaxorcist0
one slight winblows advantage for me....
Adobe stuff seems to run on older versions of winblows more than older versions of MacOS.... possibly because winblows updates less frequently.... but I have an older Mac 10.5 machine, don't want to update OS for various reasons (old software won't work on new os, long story) but I can't install new Adobe LR4 on it... argh!
... that said, updating MacOS 10.x to 10.x+1 isn't as crazy as updating winblows XP to winblows Vista or whatever....
but of course, you can just go get a cheap winblows machine... why update all that software when you can just spend a few hundred and have a new machine(!)
- twokids0
the one thing about Mac that I have noticed is that it is a lot more stable. I reboot far less often than I do with Windows. Less and 1/4 the amount. That is a factor.
- anyone here remember MacOS 7.5 and the constant reboots?vaxorcist
- i remember os 8-9.2.2 were a bit unstable.. especially with Audioautoflavour
- ya seriously, anyone who went through the 90s on mac has got to have developed twitches.zarkonite
- autoflavour0
are we really having this conversation again.. second to spam, this topic is the next most annoying thing on QBN..
PC users.. go use your PC
Mac users.. go use your MacI have mac because I enjoy using FCP, VDMX and other MAC ONLY software. I also enjoy the fact my machine extremely rarely crashes and has no antivirus installed, yet doesnt have a problem.
this argument between PC and Mac users is utter trite..
If you own a mac and think its better.. then awesome.
if you own a PC and think its better.. then awesome
if you own a hackintosh and think its the best of both worlds, i think you are missing the point a bit.. but whatever.. awesome.end of thread
- haha, you got pulled in too!monospaced
- i tried so hard not to.. but then the hackintosh argument got me..autoflavour
- what we really want to know is, hows that video coming along auto? http://www.qbn.com/t…moldero
- :Dmoldero
- slowly slowly.. got about 2 minutes edited at the moment.. finished the strip scene, now to the fleshautoflavour
- Continuity0
^ Just to add to this:
if you seriously propose that abortion Gimp as a CS replacement, please ... DIAF
- zarkonite0
@monospaced: I disagree that CS is the same on both. In photoshop if you have two files open in tabs and you tear one tab out, the new window will be maximized and it will usually spill out of your screen, you have to fuck around to get it small enough to fit in your screen because you can only drag from the bottom right... in windows when you tear a tab out, it resizes to fit inside your screen and even if it didn't you could be resizing any window from any side.
If you know how to work both OS's properly you'd see that they're totally equivalent for workflow.
- there's a button on the mac side that automatically resizes to the screen, also the F keymonospaced
- Anyway, I meant IN GENERAL. I was agreeing that as a designer the Adobe software is essentially the samemonospaced
- Window > Arrangei_monk
- 20020
PC or Mac does not assist in making good design.
But, again, how many good designers out there uses PC?
- zarkonite0
then again, I wish I had this when I'm on windows: http://totalfinder.binaryage.com…
- syst_m0
try switching to pc and doing key commands. shit, i know my whole workflow would be fucked up for a while, and then i'd go home and work on a mac.
- you want fucked up work flow.. try working on a German installed OSX machine..autoflavour
- working under pressure that is..autoflavour
- speaking only broken germanautoflavour
- monospaced0
I find it frustrating that in Windows there's no key command (that I know of) to open a new window. How ironic.
- Ctrl+n?haga
- But isn't there a windows key?i_monk
- Shortcuts are way better on a mac.
None of that alt+Menu Letter+Command letter shitanimatedgif - alt+menu letter+command letteranimatedgif
- Don't mind him, he's an artist.raf
- 20020
- must be a newer thing, it doesn't work in the older Windows versions... seems like they finally COPIED Apple on thismonospaced
- ctrl-n works since at least 1995... I can't remember Win3.zarkonite
- Doesn't work in XP.monospaced
- zarkonite0
is there an equivalent to Windows-E in OSX? opening a finder window with a shortcut from anywhere essentially?
@monospaced: ctrl-n on windows doesn't work for you? and to respond to using the top left buttons to resize a window once you tear it out... well you just deconstructed your own point, you said the workflow was always better on OSX, you're basically saying I have to add steps to get the same results. My point is simply that once you know how to work the OS they will both work just as well with different problems...
I'm mostly on OSX but I use both professionally. For some reason 3D and compositing just work better for me on windows.
- ctrl n doesn't work in XPmonospaced
- not only does it not work in XP, ther'es not even a MENU command to open a new window. So inefficient.monospaced
- you do realize that XP is the equivalent of OS9 right? it's that old...zarkonite
- I think most Mac users still only think Windows is XP.ETM
- moldero0
my mac pro crashed once because of hard drive failure, and even then that S.M.A.R.T thing allowed my mac to run long enough to salvage all my shit. my PC's in the past (although super fast because of pricing on customizing and building my own) on the other hand had constant blue screens, lost all my shit once during a hard drive failure, many many problems, though I knew how to handle it, was proficient in DOS, pretty much anything that came up with the PC I knew how to fix it. I know shit about the OS X backend its DOS equivalent or whatever it is, never had a problem ever, this allowed me to concentrate on my shitty designs rather than having to toggle focusing on knowing how to fix my PC and my crappy work. now I can just focus on making my crappy work more crappy.
- fooler0
I always have this argument with the engineers at work so I asked if you were going to buy a computer would you rather have this...
or this...
Being engineers they all choose the first pic but I still would prefer the plug and play simplicity of a mac.
- akrok0
get your self a atari and call it a day.