I f*cked up. Help and advice?
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- deathboy0
BAC isnt accurate
http://alcoholism.about.com/cs/a…
Functional ToleranceHumans and animals develop tolerance when their brain functions adapt to compensate for the disruption caused by alcohol in both their behavior and their bodily functions. This adaptation is called functional tolerance (2). Chronic heavy drinkers display functional tolerance when they show few obvious signs of intoxication even at high blood alcohol concentrations (BAC's), which in others would be incapacitating or even fatal (3). Because the drinker does not experience significant behavioral impairment as a result of drinking, tolerance may facilitate the consumption of increasing amounts of alcohol. This can result in physical dependence and alcohol-related organ damage.
- plus the other factors. i bet 80% of people getting DUIs are capable of driving home without problems. But there are thsoe few who should be prosecuteddeathboy
- those few who should be prosecuted. saw one the other night that was jsut dangerousdeathboy
- People who justify drinking and driving are dangerous. Period. Make all the excuses you need to sleep at night.ETM
- Just make sure you hurt or even kill only yourself and not someone innocent.ETM
- PonyBoy0
Fuck all that BAC blah blah blah shit...
Just don't FUCKING GET BEHIND THE WHEEL IF YOU'VE BEEN DRINKING...
... CALL
... A
... CAB
... FFS... it's really simple... it'll cost you between 20 and 100 bux depending on where you live...... don't you think that's better than say...
...$2500+ & your license??
- well yes if the law is true. im jsut challenging the validity of the law. It doesnt seem validdeathboy
- same way i look at legalization of weed and defend peopel who get in an accident that have weed in their systemdeathboy
- 30 days it stays in system. but effects arent there for 30 days. need a better system to define intoxicationdeathboy
- you know what, deathboy... I'm usually the most conservative-minded fellow when it comes to the law and law-making...PonyBoy
- ... but when it comes to booze and driving - I'm pretty 'liberal' on the consequences... it's just a moronic blend... don't. ;)PonyBoy
- the law doesnt define the truth of the matters. perfect world judges would be better suited to evaulate and gauge dangers outside of rule books.deathboy
- outside their playbooks but most dont understand shit or are desensitized in larger citiesdeathboy
- dude... booze - even HALF beer and getting behind the wheel = = = DUMB... there should be some things...PonyBoy
- that just THROW THE BOOK at you... regardless of how small /large the offensePonyBoy
- its not liek im saying drink and drive. i just know others who have been busted by the "law" but could function fine and it seemed wrongdeathboy
- jsut seemed wrong
deathboy - we're talking about lives here... I can't tell you how many times I've seen 2 beers put a grown man in a stuporPonyBoy
- as far as justice goes with largest killer should the book be thrown at say distracted drivers or speeders?deathboy
- seems more of a social moral crime than of jsutice with punishments. seems unfairdeathboy
- (not attacking you personally deathboy - this shit always hits very close to home with me - YEARS of this shit in my...PonyBoy
- and yes i know peopel who get fucked by 2 beers withotu tolerance they shouldnt drive, but should others be judged by their standards... its really greydeathboy
- their standards its really gray area to medeathboy
- ... family... it's just one of those things that I've come to terms with - you just DON'T fuck with drinking and driving...PonyBoy
- ... put the law aside and remember you're surrounded by your fellow-man out there... take a cabPonyBoy
- i take nothign personally i think its a releavant discussions open to all ideas on it.deathboy
- i respect yours and figure we have different life experiences on it. drinking+drivign not good. But when it happens how to draw the lien is my issue on punishmentdeathboy
- Well - I see what you're saying about being 'judged' by others standards... ... but on something like this...PonyBoy
- to draw the lien is my issue on punishment. much of it seems extreme and largley taboodeathboy
- ... I think the standard should be set quite low... ... low low low.
Again - you ever see someone who can't handle their liquor?PonyBoy - I guess I'm just saying - on something like this... it's better that the law 'err' than raise the limit... life and death w/booze...PonyBoy
- ... occurs in a matter of seconds. It's just one of those things that should really be based on low low numbers...PonyBoy
- ... even one beer or one shot is TOO MUCH for some folks.
I wish there was a better way to judge this - but there isn't (yet).PonyBoy - fair enough. i get your point and am probably thinkign of a buddy who got a dui. passed all tests but blew over limit and bummed by itdeathboy
- bummed by it. jsut my life experiences. but i get where youre at.deathboy
- both my bro's blew too... and failed... ... hard :(
I've blown a couple times - and passed when I thought I was toast...PonyBoy - ... toast...
That last blow (5+ years ago now) and my bro's fuck-ups is enough to just take a cab nowPonyBoy - (then again - since my heart-attack... I can't really drink all that much these days! :D )PonyBoy
- yea he passed the field sobriety tests and all that with no problems. now he cant get into canda to ride whistler. im just bummed by itdeathboy
- bummed by it
deathboy - (not saying I don't drink though...)
*gulp *gulp
:DPonyBoy - jeez heart attack!? yea drinking and drivign isnt good. wish there was a better way to detect. personally i abstain from itdeathboy
- from itdeathboy
- FUCK!! SEE???
Dude can't even go ride Whistler!!!!
(that SUCKS!!!!)PonyBoy - well im out cheers! :)deathboy
- ;) cheers!PonyBoy
- raf0
I am astounded that people here argue the amount of alcohol ingested wasn't a problem. I don't know anyone who can say they're sober having drunk two pints of beer, even as light as Guinness. Add a shot of Jameson and... wait, are you Irish or something?
There are so many variables at play it makes sense to sweep with a broad brush. If you're tired after an intense week (which is always the case on Friday night), half a pint can easilygive you a slight buzz. You had one too many already.
Two hours might clean up your system a bit and you could blow ok but now you're sleepy and your psychomotor reactions are slower.
You had any alcohol, you don't drive that night—how complicated is that?- "You had any alcohol, you don't drive that night—how complicated is that?" Exactlydyspl
- raf0
A friend of mine just told me last week how he was once on a bus in Ukrainian countryside. The driver was served shots of vodka by passengers while driving. When asked by my friend (who had been getting the shots as well) why all those cars drove without lights at night, he said "Why? They're all locals, they know the road".
- chossy0
The police pulled you over for a reason right?. Most likely because you looked like you didn't have complete control of your vehicle. Just think about that for a wee minute. Out on the streets driving the car and getting pulled over.
I think you must take the medicine you receive, hopefully it fits the crime and isn't too heavy handed. Classes and a wee ban would be adequate in my book. You clearly recognise it was a bad decision. You'll not be doing that again.
- antagonista0
Lawyer always gets it pled down. It's expensive but you definitely don't want that shit on your employment record. Background checks are a bitch. So make sure the deal cut is probation for a year and suspended.
- formed0
I am surprised at everyone's "if you have alcohol at all, you should never drive, ever". Well, then we might as well shut the bars down, because that is 99.99% of the people out there.
Every place I've lived, in about 6 states, there is either very little access to cabs or none at all. Not every place has the same transportation.
Clearly, I am for responsible driving, but I am also realistic. The laws are just absurd. If you are "drunk" (sorry, two beers does not make you drunk), then get the book thrown at you. If you get two convictions, get 10 books thrown at you, three and you have a serious problem (the laws still approach all this like a ticket, cash cow money maker for the state and lawyers, there are so many with multiple dui's on the road, then someone with bad luck gets the same penalty, it is insane!).
Cell phones, to me, is a far greater problem. Anyone that talks, certainly anyone that texts, should be given the same penalty, if we are talking "safety" (but we aren't, as the laws are not geared towards safety). How people can fight this is beyond me.
- < Yes, it's a ploy to make $ and appease the MADD crowd. It's always one bad seed that ruins it for everyone.panacea
- panacea0
Eh.... first time offense, is nothing.
Just cool it down, it's more of a money making scheme by your state or whatever area you're in, more than anything else. You start doing it again and again and again, that's on you. Then they get really pissed. Your initial hearing, if that's what they call it where you are, is a cattle rush, you'll get called up with 300 other people, more than likely. Also, don't get a lawyer, it's a waste of money for your first offense.
They'll force you to go through some form of a Rehabilitative Program.
- Rehabilitative Program?
For rehabilitating from a copuple of guinnesses?
Ha!, cool system.maquito
- Rehabilitative Program?
- dMullins0
The best bet is a lawyer. Yah, it's expensive, but worth it. You may even get the charge dropped, since you only blew a marginal amount over. The lawyer will certainly look at that and try to argue that the machine may not have been calibrated recently.
- he failed the field test though before blowing over the limit. then blew over again at the station.sine
- panacea0
^ no, it's a waste of your money. First time offenders get a slap on the wrist, you'll waste at least 1K on it.
You're not going to win this case with a lawyer, you blew what you blew and that's that.
- shellie0
That happened to me a over 7 years ago now. It's a real pain. I also blew barely over the limit but only after they held me there for 30 minutes waiting for a breathalyzer, then a blood test. When I got a lawyer and based on the timing of how much and when I was drinking, the courts later determined that they couldn't really tell if I was actually drunk when I was driving. (I only had one drink, but im a small girl so I guess that's enough). And, the cop that pulled me over did so because I almost hit him baking up out of a parking space, but he didn't have his headlines on at night in a dark lot with no lights in it. So I guess I was really really lucky, and getting a lawyer to guide me through it really helped. It costed me about $1500 but I did not have a suspended license and it went down on my record as a "wet reckless" instead of a DUI. It did not effect my car insurance costs.
But unfortunately, there is no such thing as a wet reckless in Canada, so now that the mark on my record is over 5 years old, I have to go to the Canadian consulate and pay $1000 to be able to cross the border freely without issues and without special visas. My misdemeanor translated over as a felony over there. So, depending on what countries you travel to often, there may be a ripple of records you have to pay to clear -- considering you don't rack up any more offenses.
Sorry bro -- holiday weekends are the worst time to risk it.
- sine0
- _niko0
try this next time
- GeorgesII0
ahahahahahahah
I don't have a car...
- pr20
As always a bunch of practical closet Republicans frame the issue in easy terms while a few try to point out the bigger problem: namely that we've become slaves to the laws rather than laws working for us to help regulate human relationships.
A dude serves two consecutive 25 year sentences for shoplifting 9 video tapes, or another guy gets 26 years for stealing 4 cookies:
This is just not right. Yes, don't drink and drive but lets put it all in perspective. The chance of him hurting someone after 2 bears is rather slim - especially so because he wasn't pulled over for driving like a drunk but rather not following some obscure law about pulling to the left.
- fooler0
They just passed a law in Oregon that first offenders are required to get a breathalyzer system to start their car.
I think this is pretty extreme for first offenders, maybe if you blew 2 or 3 times the limit or were in an accident I would be in favor of it.- now that's some f*cked up shit, I thought Oregon was supposed to be a "liberal" state?panacea
- unfortunately "liberal" means more gov't regulations but I'll save that conversation for the politics threadfooler
- yeah lib states have crazy lawsmoldero
- but it's also illegal for the police to have road side sobriety check points here. which is coolfooler
- twooh0
I honestly felt bad for your situation at first, until I was driving on the 5-freeway and saw a drunk driver swerving lanes at 2AM, doing 95mph last night. I had to catch up with the guy, flash my blinders a few times, and call 911 to slow him down.
It was really dangerous man
- dummies0
i think you should go to jail for attempted vehicular homicide