Pacquiao, Marquez 3
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- sothere0
read the paper manny won. However I think he did enough as champion to win. Those looking for fairness in boxing. It's never been fair, bit like life.
- exactly. so there it is. he was the better fighter.sofakingbanned
- sofakingbanned0
BUT he was the better fighter. champ or not.
spin it how you want. watch the fight. its all there lol
- neh, strongly disagree. Manny was the one moving forward the entire fightfyoucher1
- disagree. manny drove this fight. marquez was reacting 80% of the time.brandelec
- Damn, you're always bitching about every sport...OSFA
- just because i dont see it the way you do its bitching. get over it buddy.sofakingbanned
- OSFA0
Exactly!
- brandelec0
they asked marquez during weigh in what he has to do to win or convince judges considering how close the last 2 fights were and he said "win every round"
he pulled a de la hoya and thought he had enough rounds won and fell flat towards the end. a champ can get away with this, not a contender.
- OSFA0
if you're "challenging" the champion... you better knock him out if you want to win, if not, no matter how much you sweat, try, cry... it won't happen. He's the champ for a reason...
- desmo0
I understand there are a lot of variables that go into a fight, but theres something to be said when HBO's 24/7 is more entertaining then the actual fight itself.
- it's a great broadcast isn't it though?zenmasterfoo
- Yeh, 24/7 is awesome and a good production. Nice to get the small details before the actual fight happens.fyoucher1
- zenmasterfoo0
Let's be plain, both these guys are evenly matched. That's clear and if any of you watched the first two versions of this fight, you'd understand. Let me explain - Marquez knows how to fight as a southpaw in a way that Pacquiao has trouble with. It's why many reporters have concluded that he has Manny's number. He's also a vibrant counter puncher. That's always bad news for a striker like Manny.
Pacquiao on the other hand is an aggressive fighter with more power to his punches and complex angles of attack than Marquez has trouble pacing for 12 rounds.
Both the styles almost cancel each other out. It's why the fight seems to almost always come up a draw on most cards. Granted, the prospect of a Pacquiao and Mayweather fight is a huge business part of this, but not enough to give the fight to Marquez. If it were a robbery we'd have gotten a lot more reporting on an unfortunate outcome. We didn't.
Granted, judges often side with a champion if it's close, but not always, and again there wasn't any definitive statement made by Marquez to pull this one out. The last round was weak, almost as if he were protecting his lead - not surprising since his corner kept telling him he was winning the fight. Not a really good move in my opinion.
A good fight, actually. I want to see closely matched bouts where each guy gives his all and leaves nothing in the corner. I liked the fight, even though I'm a Pacquiao fan. I loved watching them both go at it similarly to the last two fights.
Next up, Cotto and Margarito. Oh, the bad blood. It's going to be splendid.
- Cotto/Marg...hell yeh. Did you watch the face to face interview with them both? Crazy.fyoucher1
- yeah. that was awesome. loved Hellerman's comment at the end of it.zenmasterfoo
- willing to die in the ring. enough saiddbloc
- dbloc0
Marquez backed down in the last round. he should have given his all until the final bell. He thought he already had the fight won, and clearly didn't.
- winning the final round would only give him a tie. not a win. this fight was won before it ever started.sofakingbanned
- sofakingbanned0
I think Marquez clearly won that fight. At no point did Pacman seem like a threat and there were multiple times where Marquez looked like he could take it.
But the rule is generally to dominate the champ unquestionably. in this case that would mean at least a knockdown for Marquez.
Theres no way they were gonna let a pacman vs. mayweather fight get messed up over a 38 year old Marquez that already lost to mayweather.
its business.
Everyone knows Marquez won. no question.
- nope sorry. I disagree. in part of course, but I do.zenmasterfoo
- sofakingbanned0
I think Marquez clearly won that fight. At no point did Pacman seem like a threat and there were multiple times where Marquez looked like he could take it.
But the rule is generally to dominate the champ unquestionably. in this case that would mean at least a knockdown for Marquez.
Theres no way they were gonna let a pacman vs. mayweather fight get messed up over a 38 year old marguez that already lost to mayweather.
its business.
Everyone knows Marquez won. no question.
- fyoucher10
I was scoring each round as they completed. I'm a Pacquaio fan but was being generous with Marquez because of the previous fights. I had Manny winning by two in the end. However, I had Marquez up by two around the 7th or 8th round. Then he didn't do shit for the 2nd half of the fight. Keep in mind that you also have to factor in aggression and ring generalship (who is actually making a fight happen, not just sitting back and trying to counter everything). Manny was easily the one moving forward in almost every round. He was throwing more and connecting more (Compubox proves that in the end).
Even if Marquez did win slightly by decision, I still wouldn't have given him the title. You have to take a title away from a champ, not just cruise by hoping to win enough points.
I think Marquez is a great fighter (definitely a hall-of-famer) but he's not a Manny Pacquaio. Manny is one of those fighters you only get every couple decades. I think these fights are as close as they are simply because of the way the two styles match up.
I don't see a Marquez 4 fight, simply because these last two fights were too similar and I can see Mayweather seeing the $$$ now for a Pacquaio fight.. However, I do see a Pacquaio / Mayweather fight NOT being fun at all. Mayweather is a counter-puncher. Freddie Roach knows that. Pacquaio is becoming more of a boxer now, and less of a brawler. They'll both be safe and not take many chances. Same thing as the Marquez fight except a lot less punches landing from both ends. UNLESS...Pacquaio sees it as a leave nothing to chance situation and goes all out (which he should since I don't see Mayweather hurting him significantly enough).
- OSFA0
It's part of the sport... Ali, Foreman, Tyson, Mayweather, Pac... Could have, should have, would have...
- sea_sea0
Don't get me wrong, I like pacman and I know the rules. But if it wasn't for that, Marquez would have won.
- OSFA0
Pacquiao is the champion for a reason. He's not only the best, but he knows how to control, manage and finish fights. That's what champions do. It'll be a while before somebody beats him...
- mmmm... naw dude. bold statement after watching this fight.sofakingbanned
- utopian0
When fighting the champion, you must dominate the champion.
Marquez di NOT dominate!
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- sea_sea0
What a joke. Big business no doubt.
- SteveJobs0
i agree, but in a big fight like this when they're bringing up names like ali and frazier, you don't leave it to your corner to decide when to take it down a notch. i know it's kind of a team sport in that respect, but there's no hurt in trying to drop your opponent in the last round.
anyway, i'm not sure that was really why he wasn't so aggressive near the end. i'm wondering if he was just running out of gas
- I dont even think Pac was that big in the last 4, I do think Marquez was tired thoughAmbushstudio
- Ambushstudio0
Marquez won at least 7 of those 12 rounds, even Pac could not believe it, it was so flagrant!
- Were you actually scoring it? I was being generous with Marquez and had Manny winning by 2.fyoucher1
- brandelec0
marquez' corner shouldnt have ket telling him he's winning. manny pulled it off in round 12
- Ambushstudio0
FUCK THAT! Close??? Marquez ruled that fight! so sad...