London Salaries?
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- Chimp0
A single ticket on the metro here in Buenos Aires is about 15p.
My rent is a 3rd of what it was in London and my wage is about 1/2.
- maikel0
I reckon graphic designers only start doing serious money when they stop designing. Sad but true.
If you are actually spending more time 'creating visual whatever' you are damned. The soonest that you oversee other people creating stuff, you create experience (whatever that is meant to be), you do strategic analysis, you deal with boring clients but you bring money in (and a long list of etc) is where the money comes in.
Sadly, a digital communities manager (with all due respect, what the holy fuck that is?) makes on average more money than a 'designer'.
- Communities manager basically = someone who posts stuff to a brand's FB page all day/on demand.Continuity
- TheForeignOffice0
Reckon NY where it's at, went there last year and that's where the vibe is
- As a 3 month visitor to NYC, I agree. It felt more positive and creative than London. Saying that, I'm in a good place, personally, in London at the momentgoldieboy
- ... in London at the momentgoldieboy
- agreed and agreed, london is still goodTheForeignOffice
- TheForeignOffice0
I went to art college in london and stayed on for 7 years after working up from a runner in a post production house - nobody got a job above the bottom rung with a degree back then - to a graphic designer in a small production company (work was always based in soho). I lived in peckham, east dulwich in shared houses and had a 1 bed flat both for 550 a month then up to waterloo in 2 bed flat that i shared for 1000 month total. moved back to newcastle 7 years ago and earning same wage now as i earned when i left london - a pitiful 23,500 and now my rent is 450 a month for a 2 bed flat. there is no scope up here to be a freelancer and no well paid or good graphic design jobs as it's not taken as a serious proffession every client thinks they are fucking graphic designer and every employer thinks you need to not just be a designer but also a devloper which i refuse to become
- TheForeignOffice0
I went to art college in london and stayed on for 7 years after working up from a runner in a post production house - nobody got a job above the bottom rung with a degree back then - to a graphic designer in a small production company (work was always based in soho). I lived in peckham, east dulwich in shared houses and had a 1 bed flat both for 550 a month then up to waterloo in 2 bed flat that i shared for 1000 month total. moved back to newcastle 7 years ago and earning same wage now as i earned when i left london - a pitiful 23,500 and now my rent is 450 a month for a 2 bed flat. there is no scope up here to be a freelancer and no well paid or good graphic design jobs as it's not taken as a serious proffession every client thinks they are fucking graphic designer and every employer thinks you need to not just be a designer but also a devloper which i refuse to become
- toodee0
Leave LA before you get too soft. Leave NY before you get too hard. Leave London before you...
- ... become an alcoholicgoldieboy
- ... spend all your money on shitty cokeclearThoughts
- TheForeignOffice0
casual racism annd biggotry too, I thought we were supposed to be the modern ones
- grafisk0
Over the 12 years ive worked in LOndon i started during the dotcom book as a junior for a large agencies digital startup at 24k, now as a Senior in-house UX designer for a large corp brand im on almost 70k, with benefits of provate health care, and 20% bonus on top. I may not be working in the trendy creative agencies, but i am working on a great products, and getting well paid in return and looked after.
It would seem client side pays an extra 10k 'ish from what ive seen, and you may only work on one client, but there is al ot of scope in London, Skype, Microsoft, Betfair, Sky, Sega etc.
Enjoy, London is a great place to work, live and play!
- Best option i decide a few years back was to go freelancing and experience a multitude of agencies, i was at some great places, but it allowed me to realize over a year or so what i was looking for...grafisk
- kingkong0
we're paid for our opinion, course we are.
- maikel0
What a pretentious bunch we are.
- orpkoobcam20
When I first moved to London - 2004, I lived off £16k per year and had my own flat in zone 1 central london near Spitalfields, it wasn't a ex-council house. It was a high ceiling modern townhouse apartment block. Rent was 160pw. Could walk to work.
Then Spitalfields got redeveloped and turned into the hipster/alcoholics vintage smelly clothing ghetto that it is today and rent rocketed. Price of a bagel went up.
Now I live zone 2, NW, rent £220pw for own 1LDK and the pleasure of being surrounded by uncivilised, unfashionable, unloving, uncaring immigrants cavorting at all hours of the night and living off benefits.
Looking to flee this country asap.
- Cant believe you could live on 16k and pay 670pm for a flat, you must be good at scrimping!joshtrix
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- kingkong0
ART DIRECTOR JOBS, COPYWRITER JOBS & TEAM JOBS PERM (£K)
Graduates 18 - 21
Junior 20 - 30
Midweight 25 - 45
Senior 50 - 65
Group Head 60 - 70
Head of Copy / Art 50 - 90
Deputy Creative Director 60 - 90+
Creative Director 70 - 120+
Exec Creative Director 120+You get paid very well eventually, if you're any good.
Reality is that it's a meritocratic industry. Talen gets rewarded, averageness doesnt.- These are a bit optimistic. I've seen so many senior jobs going for under 35k!!Chimp
- Douglas0
I've lived in London for all of one day and havn't left the house yet. That might be the trick actually. Just don't leave the house.
- monoboy0
I started in London on a junior's salary of 14K (2001), shared a house with a bunch of Kiwis in Brixton, £400 a month If I remember. Survived on leftovers from client meetings.Still had a good time. But my salary went up pretty quickly.
Depends on how big a ponce you are.
- toodee0
What's analysis? I want to jump on the bandwagon!
- Horp0
"^ True, this. The industry as a whole is being de-valued"
I came out of college at that point where the amount of designers was still quite small, it was still considered a worthwhile business investment, and there were only a handful of top class set ups you could go to. I remember though, even back then, that it was suddenly seeming 'not so cool' to be doing design amopngst the next generation. Aside from 'multimedia', all the kids were going to college to do 'media studies'. It seemed absurd and ridiculous at the time. Almost like a no-brain activity. Just 'studying media', not creating media, or sculpting the cultural landscape, or building something new, just 'looking at what was there, and passing critical comment on it'.
Oh, how we all laughed as we watched all those saps raving about 'meeja studies'. Such a pointless activity. Now though, the era of creativity as an entity in itself is dead. All the money now is in analysis, and analysis has become the creative material. Academic understanding is the new creativity, and I think that shift goes some way towards explaining the recent obsession with infographics. It was almost like designers were trying to re-engineer what they did, to fit in with the new epoch.
I wonder what will follow on from the analytical era though.
- I say this as someone who fairly recently jumped from the sinking ship of Creativity onto a rickety boat called Analysis.Horp
- _niko0
Name: James
Job Title: Sr. Web Designer and partner
Location: Tottenham
Salary/Income: £190/year and some company benefits
- clearThoughts0
*Sorry about the rant
- Rant away, good sir.Continuity
- Not sure that London is high up any ’Living Standards’ index, a problem acknowledged by Boris 'himselfdetritus
- ..it does, however, offer a fuckload by way of opportunity and experience, so.. *shrugs*detritus