London Salaries?
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- Douglas0
I've lived in London for all of one day and havn't left the house yet. That might be the trick actually. Just don't leave the house.
- grafisk0
Over the 12 years ive worked in LOndon i started during the dotcom book as a junior for a large agencies digital startup at 24k, now as a Senior in-house UX designer for a large corp brand im on almost 70k, with benefits of provate health care, and 20% bonus on top. I may not be working in the trendy creative agencies, but i am working on a great products, and getting well paid in return and looked after.
It would seem client side pays an extra 10k 'ish from what ive seen, and you may only work on one client, but there is al ot of scope in London, Skype, Microsoft, Betfair, Sky, Sega etc.
Enjoy, London is a great place to work, live and play!
- Best option i decide a few years back was to go freelancing and experience a multitude of agencies, i was at some great places, but it allowed me to realize over a year or so what i was looking for...grafisk
- kingkong0
ART DIRECTOR JOBS, COPYWRITER JOBS & TEAM JOBS PERM (£K)
Graduates 18 - 21
Junior 20 - 30
Midweight 25 - 45
Senior 50 - 65
Group Head 60 - 70
Head of Copy / Art 50 - 90
Deputy Creative Director 60 - 90+
Creative Director 70 - 120+
Exec Creative Director 120+You get paid very well eventually, if you're any good.
Reality is that it's a meritocratic industry. Talen gets rewarded, averageness doesnt.- These are a bit optimistic. I've seen so many senior jobs going for under 35k!!Chimp
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- TheForeignOffice0
casual racism annd biggotry too, I thought we were supposed to be the modern ones
- toodee0
Leave LA before you get too soft. Leave NY before you get too hard. Leave London before you...
- ... become an alcoholicgoldieboy
- ... spend all your money on shitty cokeclearThoughts
- TheForeignOffice0
I went to art college in london and stayed on for 7 years after working up from a runner in a post production house - nobody got a job above the bottom rung with a degree back then - to a graphic designer in a small production company (work was always based in soho). I lived in peckham, east dulwich in shared houses and had a 1 bed flat both for 550 a month then up to waterloo in 2 bed flat that i shared for 1000 month total. moved back to newcastle 7 years ago and earning same wage now as i earned when i left london - a pitiful 23,500 and now my rent is 450 a month for a 2 bed flat. there is no scope up here to be a freelancer and no well paid or good graphic design jobs as it's not taken as a serious proffession every client thinks they are fucking graphic designer and every employer thinks you need to not just be a designer but also a devloper which i refuse to become
- TheForeignOffice0
I went to art college in london and stayed on for 7 years after working up from a runner in a post production house - nobody got a job above the bottom rung with a degree back then - to a graphic designer in a small production company (work was always based in soho). I lived in peckham, east dulwich in shared houses and had a 1 bed flat both for 550 a month then up to waterloo in 2 bed flat that i shared for 1000 month total. moved back to newcastle 7 years ago and earning same wage now as i earned when i left london - a pitiful 23,500 and now my rent is 450 a month for a 2 bed flat. there is no scope up here to be a freelancer and no well paid or good graphic design jobs as it's not taken as a serious proffession every client thinks they are fucking graphic designer and every employer thinks you need to not just be a designer but also a devloper which i refuse to become
- TheForeignOffice0
Reckon NY where it's at, went there last year and that's where the vibe is
- As a 3 month visitor to NYC, I agree. It felt more positive and creative than London. Saying that, I'm in a good place, personally, in London at the momentgoldieboy
- ... in London at the momentgoldieboy
- agreed and agreed, london is still goodTheForeignOffice
- Continuity0
London salaries are some of the least-predictable I've seen in the industry. I've seen some job adverts for senior designers in London, with a salary of £55,000/pa and recently saw an advert calling for an art director at £38,000 to £45,000/pa, DOE. No logic there at all.
- All of this to say that £45k seems to be the threshold of where life starts to get a bit more comfortable in London.Continuity
- animatedgif0
Probably not, we just get fucking raped from every angle.
And spend a fortune on rent in London when scum can live in council housing right across the street and afford to shit out kids and dogs till the end of time.
- Continuity0
I'm dying to know how you Londoners do it, though; I mean, what's the net take-home on £45k? I remember looking at flat listings in the windows of estate agents last year in Shoreditch, Hackney, Clerkenwell, Islington and Kilburn, and _rarely_ would I see any flat available for less than 275/wk, general nothing included. Surely one can't afford to live alone without flatmates in Zone 1 or even Zone 2 on 45k per year?
- detritus0
I often forget about the currency conversion and feel a knot brewing in my somtach when I see 6 figure sums for American jobs.
I'd suggest £35k+ being the point where London becomes comfortable, but then again, that depends upon your lifestyle and responsibilities... I don't have kids or a mortgage (though a mortgage'd be cheaper, no doubt) and live a fundamentally boring lifestyle, now that I'm old and Calvinist and guilt-ridden every time I put my hand in my pocket to spend money on flippancies.
(I'm not one of those dirty old men who masturbate themselves throug their pockets in public, less than discreetly. Not yet).
- er.. that last line made more sense before I qualified the end of the second paragraph.detritus
- Now it comes across as some kind of over-guilty unconfession.detritus
- You DO aspire to pocket-wanking, though, don't you?Continuity
- that's not a bad idea, not thought of that one.set
- the wanking secretly in your pocket thing, I mean.set
- maikel0
I reckon graphic designers only start doing serious money when they stop designing. Sad but true.
If you are actually spending more time 'creating visual whatever' you are damned. The soonest that you oversee other people creating stuff, you create experience (whatever that is meant to be), you do strategic analysis, you deal with boring clients but you bring money in (and a long list of etc) is where the money comes in.
Sadly, a digital communities manager (with all due respect, what the holy fuck that is?) makes on average more money than a 'designer'.
- Communities manager basically = someone who posts stuff to a brand's FB page all day/on demand.Continuity
- Chimp0
A single ticket on the metro here in Buenos Aires is about 15p.
My rent is a 3rd of what it was in London and my wage is about 1/2.
- flashbender0
you can live comfortably on your own in zone 2tube for 45K. There are plenty of places in kilburn for less than 250. mostly studios though.
the closer you are to a tube station/the further you are from council housing the cheaper it gets... but council housing is never too far away
- flashbender0
and yes, the salaries are completely random:
Digital Art Director London W1 Up to £60K
vs.
Art Director, Integrated, London, £35K- Isn't this just because the term 'Art Director' has become wholly diluted this last decade?detritus
- Art Director can mean anything these days. It's no longer attained through experience hierarchy.orrinward
- yes. THanks in part to kids coming straight from uni and calling themselves art directors.flashbender
- Horp0
60k is the absolute baseline for comfortable living in London IMHO, but then it depends on your mores I guess. For me, comfortable living would be a W1 residence, shopping in Waitrose, eating out at least once a week, two nights out, and the ability to own nice clothes and drive a decentish car.
You wont get that out of 60k mind you, but you'd get something better than a studio flat or share in Kilburn.
- I'd want to be one of those W1/Waitrose types, but I wouldn't need the car, I'm fine with public transport.Continuity
- flashbender0
I will say that the Camden side of Kilburn (south east - where it borders westminster/St. John Woods) is rather nice and not super expensive.
- goldieboy0
You can live well in London on less than 60k. You'll need a min 40k, any less and you'll struggle for zones 1 > 2.