Swiffy: swf to html5
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- dasmeteor0
Imagine Flash enabled on the iPod and the Iphone.
All potential applications free of charge, on which Apple would have no control and which they would have no profits.- Ipad *dasmeteor
- apple makes no profits on free app store applicationsanimatedgif
- No, but they sure do on the ads :)fyoucher1
- got it on adroid - flash works a treat - its all a load of bollocksfadein11
- This is exactly why Jobs bitches about Flash. He's a fucking greedy liar.CyBrainX
- ernexbcn0
@dasmeteor Flash doesn't reach the level of performance a native Objective-C app has on iOS.
In a future when the devices aren't so CPU impaired, it might work. I think Adobe is betting on that, while they keep pushing their mobile flash player date, it's being "soon" according to Adobe for the past 3 years or something.
- yes.. and developers are sick of learning vendor-specific languages.... ugh! not enough brain RAM for the API of the month club!vaxorcist
- Weyland0
Well, he seems to be excited about it
chrome experiments is a more exciting than this vector callback mess
- Boz0
Just as a reference
Flash player in 2006 had 97.xx%. flash player 8 was very close to 90%
- omg0
Boz, with all the "supposed" mobile market share Flash has... There are hundreds of thousands apps out there, just from the iPhone alone. There are like two measley apps out there made with Flash. None of them are apps like Angry Birds. Ifnthey tried to make an Angry Birds version for Flash, it would literally hiccup and choke on the lack of power Flash has. Adobe not only profits from selling Flash, but then you have to buy more apps, just to make a simulated mobile app from it.
- flash isn't all about animationregiste
- lol @ "angry bird app" it's marketed as one, it's actually only a game.registe
- Animation is Flash's only strength. Rip out that timeline, then you'd have no use for Flash.omg
- i was an early adopters of flash/php based cms interfaces and love the code base for doing soregiste
- i enjoy the concept of spite based design, animation is a toy within its capabilities imoregiste
- that said, i haven't published anything flash since 2005-2006 mayberegiste
- CMS IN FLASH? HAHAHAHA OH SHIT NIGGA WHAT ARE YOU DOING?animatedgif
- animatedgif0
^ but even then, if we have more power then why throw that power away just to make some developers lives a little easier.
When phones reach the power than a normal flash game would be viable will be a time when native code would make them look like a joke.
- so you don't use ftp or chat clients? just telnet and irc channels eh?registe
- sorry your analogy makes no sense so I'm having trouble understanding your pointanimatedgif
- dbloc0
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- omg0
I remember back in the days, Flash solved all cross browser issues. It's 2011 now. The browser can now do with HTML5 that which Flash was only able to simulate back in the days. And its still great for simulating work that is better done in other languages. As much as I would love to depend on plug-in technology, it's simply limited. It lacks the performance and strength that other programming languages provide.
When HTML5 comes to age in a year or so, it will not have to endure what Flash had to and would be capable of much more. Organizing styles, handling large amounts of data, being on top of major advances in technology including mobile has never been Flash's advantage.
- How is that? Flash STILL outperforms JS and HTML5. I don't know what you base this opinion on?Boz
- sorry mate but you are talking bollocks... HTML 5 will not come of age in a yearfadein11
- lol @ omg. ridiculous.kingsteven
- People are already making big dents with HTML5. At the rate of progression, there won't be any need to simulate anymoreomg
- Have you tried ANIMATING in CSS/jQuery/whatever the way you can in Flash?CyBrainX
- jadrian_uk0
"It lacks the performance and strength that other programming languages provide"
This. i might add: seriousness and concision.- and JS and all this other crap we are looking at is better? Wtf are we even discussing.Boz
- Boz0
^ omg.. your comments show me that you have zero credibility in discussing this topic. You obviously have not used Flash and if you did you problably used it for animation.
Don't make asinine opinions based on the lack of experience of knowledge you have.
This is why i fucking HATE this hype and shit about HTML5.. Most people being the loudest are simply completely uneducated, uninformed and probably don't know anything else but HTML/JS/CSS (JS being probably being the weakest link) and these people are regurgitating some shit that is spewed by that idiot Jobs.
In addition, if your argument is that Angry Birds is the pinnacle on apps and why Flash sucks, then I'll just tell you that Farmville and Zynga's games are FAR MORE advanced in every single aspect to simple Angry Birds.
Fuck, my project where I created a website for Gabe and Universal (I'm Rogue) for Catfish movie, where I built from scratch a replica of OSX with full XML based filesystem, connected to databases and created QBN like forum (in protected area), built multiple apps like an email client, full OSX dock, video players, photo viewer app and stickies and bunch of other stuff, is arguably more advanced than Angry Birds.
http://www.iamrogue.com/catfish
Flash is only good for animations.. LOL. seriously man
- Ha, I love that. I did something similar (although not nearly as accomplished) back in 06 for a huge famous band agency..mikotondria3
- ..for the client/ b2b back-end of their operation. I probably couldn't do it again now. Hope they don't want any amends :).mikotondria3
- Good work though, sir, is the thrust of what I say. I think you've got too much equipment in your office, but props on the work ;)mikotondria3
- Boz0
Not really.. Flash advanced MUCH MUCH faster than HTML.. IT took 15 years for JS to get JQuery.. it will take another 15 years for all these standards and frameworks and all the shit to even work on all browsers.. And that's under the assumption that we live in a land of unicorns where all browser vendors work together and don't invent their own ways of implementing these standards which I can bet you they will. Almost certainly.
HTML5 is great as it brings MUCH needed local storage, web SQL, slightly better canvas for some graphics and we finally have some solution to fonts.. This is ALL been solved but you can say it's good that websites now don't have to be made in Flash for every little thing.
Flash however, will still continue to be ahead of HTML5/JS/CSS.
Second, HTML5/JS/CSS runs like shit on mobile and it will be 5 years to even get it properly to work and that's considering that we have hardware acceleration on mobile browsers. They don't have proper and good hardware acceleration on desktop browser, they'll make it run great on mobile? Give me a break.
Flash on the other hand is already far ahead.. Flash now is supporte dont on 85% of smart mobile devices and for those where it isn't (aka iOS) you can compile a native app from the same code.
Performance as has been shown is SIGNIFICANTLY ahead of HTML5 and JS/CSS.
The reason Flash did not advance for mobile (though it did have Flash Lite versions that worked on most phones and was still better than anything HTML for mobile at that time) as much was because it was a micro market. Until 2007.. let's say 2008 when iPhone brought again interest in smart phones and apps and mobile web got close to desktop that's when Flash started improving significantly. Added multi-touch gestures, certain mobile relevant APIs and so much more.
You can't look at me with a straight face and tell me that HTML5/JS/CSS you build on desktop will run great on mobile? Anyone who built this knows it's bullshit.
RIght now, I can in fact build a Flash app that runs on a website, runs on a mobile phone in a mobile browser just as fast as well as publish a native app that runs at native speeds on multiple mobile platforms.
HTML5/JS/CSSS for mobile, for desktops and so on in capacity flash is won't be ready in a year.. it won't be ready in next 5 years (and I'm being optimistic
).. and 5 years in tech world.. phew man.. Flash will be so advanced and adding a ton more features it's not going to even compare.As already noted many times.. they can't fucking agree on video codec. They'll agree on everything else working the same on all browsers.. It's such a crazy dream.
It's more likely that we will see IE10 implementation of HTML5 stuff and Microsoft will add some of their specific stuff and frameworks based on that. Then Firefox will do their own thing. Chrome will continue to do their own shit like WebRTC and other stuff that only them really use now and are "hoping" others will implement etc etc etc...
Too many companies involved, too many cooks, too many personal interests are for this idyllic dream to become a reality.
What they are doing really is trying to get power and transform something that works PERFECTLY fine across ALL browsers making them really irrelevant for developers, to something that is a mess and everyone will have to code and write specific shit for each on those browsers. They want to offload plugin to a bigger plugin called browser.
And how this is good I really can't understand. When you want to make an app running on a TV.. do you think that Samsung will give a shit to comply to HTML5 and hardware accelerated canvas and all that? Fuck they will.
With Flash you will never have that problem.
A lot of Flash hate comes from people who either never learned Flash and they felt left out, or they did learn it and then just stopped following the technology and learning how Flash evolved into real development tool and then were left with HTML/JS/CSS.. These same people now wish Flash to die because they want to do shit they are familiar with. Even if that means that you have to write 15 lines of CSS code to make it work on all browsers the same and then use 3 different frameworks to make sure that JS and HTML5 have fallbacks etc etc.. It's a fucking disaster. It will take 5 years alone to just get IE6, IE7, IE8, old versions of FF and whatever out of the way that don't support any of this new stuff.
I just finished building HTML/CSS/JS website and I was making buttons with CSS3 and all this shit.. This is what we can look forward to. To get a simple gradient on a button you have to write this crap. I keep writing this and thinking to myself, what a wonderful future we have to look forward to.
- I really need to address all this shit on my blog and then just link to it.. fuck me I can write until forever.Boz
- agreed.monNom
- *applauseProjectile
- I really can't see anything to disagree with, here.Continuity
- That's a silly example isn't it? I'm sure Flash contains very similar code behind the scenesukit
- In terms of gradients and stuff like that. You would just need a WYSIWYG tool for CSS3.ukit
- Damn man, you said it like it is! ++1ToxicDesign
- word!!nicolasdesle
- Boz, I'm sending you a big vector hug. And I didn't even need to test other browsers for love.CyBrainX
- jadrian_uk0
And let's not forget this: Flash always need to work with that stupid application(the Flash program), wich among tooo many things to number has the most unprofessional code editor i have seen.
- use Flex... or write in notepad... ... if you understand AS3 - you could care less about how well the code editor displays hints etcPonyBoy
- heh, totally. i know very few flash devs that use the flash ide these days.kingsteven
- omg0
Boz, what exactly can Flash do besides animations? Simulate OSX? Create a virtual QBN? I won't even get into why I'd even want an email client made of Flash.
You're site doesn't even play on my computer. I'd be much better if you didn't make it with Flash so I could see your animations. How much credibility does any Flash user need to know that it just doesn't cut it against HTML?
And you honestly think that the physics in Farmville can go head to head against Angry Birds? Flash can't compete against it. It's time to move on. Cross browsing issues was the only reason people adopted the plug-in technology. When Adobe killed off Macromedia, the company failed to keep up with the same pace of innovation. A company ahead of it's time, now two years behind.
- duhsign0
All of your Boz are belong to us now
- ukit0
Gotta give Boz some credit, he is like a one man crusade for Flash
- considering the "uber reich" of qbn goes against him without provocation, yeah good on himregiste
- That twitter feed reads like a botanimatedgif
- jadrian_uk0
"and JS and all this other crap we are looking at is better?"
"JS and all this other crap", lol let's only have flash , no more html, Js, css, php and all that crap.
haha, seriously you can't be real.
- animatedgif0
Web pages, basic video, web apps -> HTML5
Banner ads, interactive video experiences, browser games -> Flash
Mobile apps -> Native
Anything else -> Animated GIFThis converter is redundant
- animated gifs usually rip the shit out of your color and are only decent for straight animationCyBrainX
- thatsthejoke.jpganimatedgif
- Continuity0
@omg, re: 'Flash was great back in 2005, solving cross browser issues, but how long are they supposed to hold that candle?'
The simple fact that we've seen an awful lot of sites saying something to the effect of, 'This site is a Chrome experiment', or 'This site optimised for Safari', or 'This site will not work in IE or Firefox' means that there is _still_ an awful long way to go before true cross-browser compatibility arrives.
To that end - given its penetration - Flash is still the going concern if you want a site that will appear and behave exactly the same way across all browsers, especially in the case of anything having to do with complex animations and video.
- In reality, we haven't got much past the old IE/Netscape browser wars.Continuity
- Except Netscape is dead and IE is now #3.CyBrainX
