Canada vote 2011
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- elektro0
I woke up this morning, put some music while reading the newspaper and this song started playing, I was like "oh yeah, fuck you"
- ********0
Please take a moment to check out page 12 of this thread, where I predicted the outcome of this election.
I am VERY good at predicting the future, even if it is only "next week" that I'm predicting.
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- eieio0
^
http://www.qbn.com/topics/653195…well done :]
- aldebaran0
Will the NDP meet voters expectations? Especially in Quebec, where today for the first time in over 20 years the separatists don't have a personal voice in the house. If the NDP screws it up will the Bloc see a resurgence or will the Torries clean house next time around?
Can the Liberal recover from this? Merging the NDP and Liberals doesn't seem likely. The Grits have deep roots, and their base is not as close to the NDP as some think. Will they through everything they have behind Justin?
I think in four years from now we will see an election even more shocking than this one. I have a hard time believing these results will repeat themselves.
- ********0
The Grits will be back in 8 years. The NDP is going to have to work extremely hard and transcend the house of commons in order not to be a failure.
- benfal990
I wish I wasn't canadian
- Move back to France, traitor!i_monk
- Nobody is forcing you to stay!spot13
- Dont worry. 7 milions of us will go one day of another.benfal99
- By the way your province voted, not so sure about that.ETM
- Anyway, last time I checked France doesn't have the highest regard for French Canadians.ETM
- if Layton doesn't do the job, the bloc will be stronger than ever. Nobody likes Harper here in the Quebec province.elektro
- lol @ imonkeieio
- benfal990
Next 4 years with Harper will be a total train wreck for democracy.
- ********0
The worst part about this whole mess....
It doesn't matter how Harper acts. He could create a private Health Care act, revoke pensions, raise taxes, ruin our economy even more than he already has.... and so on and so on.... and the Conservatives will STILL have no trouble getting enough votes to either win next time, or at least be the official opposition. This is simply because people in this country who lean to the right have no other option when it comes to election time.
For example, most of the people (hillbillies) in my province actually think that the Cons are better for the economy. Whether they are or not is a complex issue, but these people don't have the slightest idea about how the economy works. They just buy into the brand.
- i_monk0
Ed Broadbent was on CBC last night talking to Evan Solomon and the topic of merging the NDP and Liberals to unite the left was raised.
"We are the Left!" he replied.
:)
- Ed's so awesome. He belongs to the last class of statesman-like politicians, with Joe Clark and Trudeau. Good days.Continuity
- ********0
AMAZING.
- eieio0
Uniting the left sounds good in theory, it would totally destroy the right at voting time, put it to Harper and his goons, but this would be bad for democracy. It would create a political culture of partisanship rather than issue based localism. We don't elect a president, we don't elect the PM, we elect a representational parliament.
- eieio0
We need to bleed the Conservatives. With a better voter participation and more awareness of Harpers agenda next election could be a minority NDP government with the liberals back in action and the cons as opposition.
- Continuity0
I really don't believe Canadians are - or will ever be - ready for a social democratic government, as seen elsewhere, such as Denmark, Norway, Sweden, the Netherlands, etc.
For one, whilst every says they love their tax-paid health care, for example, they also say in the same breath they don't like being taxed. So which is it? You can't have one without the other.
The other major spanner in the works is our proximity to the US. Other social democracies are (more or less) shielded from American influence by virtue of sheer distance; Canada most certainly is not, and people would be fooling themselves to think that proximity isn't a major policy influencer.
- Canadians complain about their health care system only because they've never lived anywhere else.********
- we are already a social democracy the question is how much do we need to bend over to the neighbours.eieio
- Harpers duty is to take it up the butt but the Canadian population can easily show more backbone.eieio
- Well, I certainly hope they do show more backbone, for a change.Continuity
- Canadians complain about their health care system only because they've never lived anywhere else.
- eieio0
Canadians aren't stupid but to say they are informed is another matter. The best reason I've heard from conservative voters is that the Cons create jobs and are good for the economy... but really what it means is servicing large corporate and international industries. Its globalism, look what thats done to the third world.
Health care creates jobs and is good for the economy, education creates jobs and is good for the economy, small/medium business creates jobs and is better for the real economy that big companies. Vote left and you are supporting all these things in principle. The Liberals have become way too central for their own good and that is why they've failed.
- Were the Liberals ever really _that_ left-leaning besides Pearson and Trudeau, though?Continuity
- You're partly right, insofar as they became too central; i.e.: didn't stand for anything. They need to stake a position, and stick with it, not try to be everything for everyone.Continuity
- ... not try to be everything for everyone.Continuity
- they were supposed slightly left of central but that has become just centraleieio
- Ironically, if the Cons - over the course of many years - become too centrist, they'll go extinct, too.Continuity
- Liberals have typically been just left of center, and that's why it's good to have the third choice.ETM
- aldebaran0
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/st…
"The federal Conservatives have quietly killed an access to information registry used by journalists, experts and the public that users say helped hold the government accountable."
and so it begins...
- Well, that didn't take long.Continuity
- ha - 2008 my badaldebaran
- slow clap. and we wonder why they crushed us so.********
- ********0
God I love being Canadian... wish I had thought of this first.
- 160K a year with a pension after 4 years.********
- the ndp really has to release a better photo of her.Julesvm
- actually no pension until after six years - so, she has to be re-elected at least once********
- ah, I was not aware. Thanks.********
- 160K a year with a pension after 4 years.
- ********0
- LOLcube aside, what a fucking creep. Jesus, he makes my skin crawl.Continuity
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- GeorgesII0
bump because Harper won,
go team USA, USA, U.. S...A