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- manonthestreet
When I first heard Apple's stance on not supporting Flash I chuckled a bit. I am not the biggest fan of using Flash but I do see implementations where I feel it is a useful tool.
What surprises me is the number of clients that state upfront, "No Flash".
Is anyone else seeing this?
- pinkfloyd0
I hear they want it to work on the ipad, so yeah, no flash.
- georgesIII0
Flash killed my dog and burned down my house.
NO FLASH for me!!people who say no flash are Fff'n ridiculous,
Why?because it just works, you install the fuckn plugin and you have instant access to real web,
in 10 years we can have this debate again, but for the love of god,
let's stop with that no flash bs,- Except it doesn't "just work." Aside from iPhones/iPads, many people aren't allowed to install plugins on their system.nb
- Just asking if you have clients/stakeholders who are saying this...manonthestreet
- Ha.
"Flash is on over 97% of browsers"
http://www.itwriting…
Peter
- Glitterati_Duane0
I heard it mostly related to seo issues than ipad and iphone limitations. I have no doubt that the Apple no Flash position has made people more resistant to Flash in general though.
- fadein110
flash is moving beyond the browser and being used in all sorts of unusual places like game interfaces, smart TVs etc etc.
there's life in the old dog yet... despite Apples best attempt at appleising (read restricting) the web.
- Yeah. All sorts of unusual places. Just not the web.nb
- "Apples best attempt at appleising (read restricting) the web" Fucking LOL @ defending closed technologyanimatedgif
- nb0
You're only now thinking about this? You wait until clients suggest it?
A few days after I got my iPhone (years before iPad was available) I started telling my clients that we shouldn't use Flash. Although it may have it's place, it's become outdated and will be a niche product soon enough. I think part of a web designer's (or developer's) job is to educate clients away from the old, encouraging openness and compatibility with what's coming in the future, rather than the past.
- fadein110
"encouraging openness and compatibility with what's coming in the future" - i love the brainwashing that goes hand in hand with this debate
- +DrBombay
- Brainwashing?nb
- Apple are not promoting openness and compatibility - they are closing doorsfadein11
- He never said apple wasvoiceof
- how is HTML5 closing doors...
Guessing Fadin11s only skill is Flashanimatedgif
- manonthestreet0
I don't care what 'YOU' may think about Flash. I want to know if the people you are making stuff for are mentioning that they want to stay away from flash.
- i dont recommend flash anymore because of the iphone and ipad not out of choicefadein11
- understood, thanks.manonthestreet
- fyoucher10
Just b/c of iPad/iPhone but that'll change soon. Just a temporary thing. New tablets are coming out that are much faster than the iPad.
Let's face it, Flash isn't ending in the next two years. Flash Player will be handling video like a champ soon enough. Companies will be creating mobile versions of sites where they don't use tons of Flash ads on the site like the desktop version of the site.
At that point, why wouldn't you use Flash? It won't be killing CPU/battery. It'll probably come pre-installed on most Android phones. It's easy to get the plugin, people have been doing it regularly for close to a decade. People trust it (I'm not talking about grouchy web developers, I'm talking normal people).
Sooner or later Apple will have to put it on iOS, just to stay in competition.
I have an iPad and yeah I do run into occasions where a site has Flash on it and it sucks not being able to see if. It may not be important enough for me to go nutty over it and go run to see if on my laptop but I'd like the option to see the whole web on whatever device I'm using.
Shitty hardware shouldn't be stopping me from something I was able to view with a desktop computer from 10 years ago.
- ian0
I always preferred Batman anyways.
- pinkfloyd0
I think in the end, it's all about the user experience. The advantage of flash is it's animations, and if HTML5 can replicate it just as well then it's going to have a upperhand over flash because it's more integrated with the system. This is just my opinion.
- georgesIII0
let me pull the rug under your feet.
I run flash and brett bash's "2advanced" without lag on Android,
I also run youtube videos straight in the browser, even though I have the youtube app,
why is it so hard to fuckn get it in your head, the whole Steveejee debate is not about flash but about locking down the itunes.who needs proof?
- yes! another man who talks sensefadein11
- The rug has been pulled georgesIII; Steve's Blond hair, blue eyed digital world...ideaist
- his sites down, howd you know to take this picture? email me some lotto numbers please :)moldero
- lol moldero, this is the actual 2advanced hehehe ya cunt!georgesIII
- Thanks for trying to talk sense into these apple goons George ;)Hombre_Lobo
- fadein110
yep it is this shit again and it keeps coming up because it is a major issue in our industry today. Anwyay fyoucher1 hit the spot.
- kingsteven0
Jobs knows what he's at, he knows that his platform needs traction and sees apps and Flash as more-or-less the same thing. Developers can sell apps, so they're winning entrepreneurial hearts and the over dominance of tech news on the web means that your next client probably knows that Flash doesn't work on iOS. They're probably going to buy his battery life & performance vs HTML5 arguments too.
As Apple's market share increases, the lines between the two blur (see Boz's thread on eroding app value) and things could change as they get more competition from other devices... It's worth learning both.
- apples market share will level off v.soon in phone and tablet marketfadein11
- moldero0
man builds car with not enough power to go up hills, puts blame on roads for having hills.
- nb0
The reason you have clients asking for "No Flash" is that they (or someone they know) owns an iPhone and occasionally gets the "no plugin" and it drives iPhone users insane when they can't look at a site. We've all heard people complain about this, including regular people who don't really understand the issue.
What's important: you might have noticed that in this situation iPhone owners rarely blame the iPhone, rather they tend to blame the website (designers) for making a website that doesn't work for them. This is because people love their iPhones (even if they are inferior by any particular measure.)
So, you can fight for Adobe over Apple or whatever, but you're just a designer and you're not going to be able to change what platform people use. Why do you care about Flash? Why do HTML5 people feel the need to defend it? Instead design your web sites to cater to the widest possible audience or, if you know your audience well enough, use the tools that will fit them.
- i can go with that as wellfadein11
- redirect to crappy iPhone/iPad site. problem solved.moldero
- Sure, as long as you can convince your client it's worth it. Your competition knows how to design without flash.nb
- They do? Show me! I've yet to see a HTML5 site that didn't look/work like a 10+ yr old site. Redirect. Solved.formed
- "owners rarely blame the iPhone, rather they tend to blame the website" To be fair it is the websites faultanimatedgif
- dbloc0
people are fucking stupid. period.