Want to Design for free?
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- Knuckleberry0
I have come to find out that I may be a little nuts in the head... the first thing I thought was lets kill him.
- cannonball19780
^ this
Stop your whining and get back to being overpaid to mock up banner ads.
- OSFA0
- aanderton0
Isn't this just the same as the old sitepoint contests?
- sofakingbanned0
thats all san diego needs. this shit. you guys should see some of the ads for freelancing.
- dirtydesign0
lets all join... every design we make will simply say FUCK YOU PAY ME
- Projectile0
I recently worked on a site design, where they had crowdsourced the logo. And to be fair, what they got for their money wasn't too bad. Ok I had to basically re-draw it cos it was slapped together, but still.. unfortunately, it is a fairly decent way for a SMALL company to go. To find someone to do it for a hundred bucks is a huge risk as most designers won't give them the option of a quickie.. it's at least grand or nothing.
it's our fault too.. for being overly pushy elitists.. and is a natural reaction.
That being said, he is fucking it up for the rest of us... so let's go fuck him up.
- _niko0
$250 bucks is great for designers in countries where that is a month's salary.
You'll get what you paid for though, clip art bullshit with your company name on it.
- Continuity0
This from the article's comments:
--------------------------------...Jay Larson Today 08:23 AM
This kind of sham is what devalues design and give clients crappy work that usually doesn't have the necessary research behind the work that's needed. Crowd sourcing and spec work will never have the acceptance of the design community.4 people liked this.
David Prova 1 minute ago in reply to Jay Larson
Hey Jay,I'm sorry you see crowdsourcing as devaluing design. Prova's "pay for skill" concept is actually developed to increase the value of design. Rather than a typical freelance site which is lowering the value of design work with overseas workers reproducing cookie-cutter logos for $50, Prova was developed to increase the quality of available ad designs. Prova's target market is the business owner that understands a quality advertisement will attract more customers than a cheaply made design.
Prova's unique angle teaches our designers the "science" behind effective advertising (call to action, USP, effects of graphic placement, ...), so client's don't get an ad that lacks the necessary research.
- Continuity0
This David Prova's dude's answer make me see fucking red ...
- OSFA0
ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME??
- hellojeehae0
“To be creative, you don’t have to go to college or work for a large design firm. Creativity is often part of a person's personality, regardless of where they work,” he said. “The only limitation is having a computer and a creative mind.”
- really? what about 4 years of education people pour into every year to become designers..hellojeehae
- Continuity0
'Prova's unique angle teaches our designers the "science" behind effective advertising (call to action, USP, effects of graphic placement, ...), so client's don't get an ad that lacks the necessary research. '
What a fucking patronising cunt who's got no business in marketing and advertising. Professional creatives (copywriters and designers) are probably ALL better versed in his so-called science than he is.
Makes me so fucking angry I could puke.
- becca20
Seems like we should bomb the article's comments section and invite David to QBN.
- Already did!iheartfun
- Added my comment to the article.Continuity
- OSFA0
Fuck, for some reason my comments show as gabriel.... WTF?
Anyway, here's my little input...
After reading your response to Jay Larson's comment, I had to take the time to post and let you know, David Prova, that you can try to mask it as much as you want, but the fact is, that you are just another crowdsourcing site that will be in business for one or two years (around the same lifespan of your so called clients, yes those brilliant CEOs and small company owners who think they are benefiting from a site like this)
David, what is your background in this field? What agencies have you worked for? Do you have a portfolio to back up a statement such as "Prova's unique angle teaches our designers the "science" behind effective advertising" or did you borrow it from a book you read before starting your 'business'? Please share some background information, I would love to learn more about you.
I can't blame this 100% on you though, because sadly, there are many 'designers' who submit work and play these games since they can't find a job n the field or never graduated design school (yes dear business owners, those guys are the 'designers' working on your awesome logo!)
You might make a few bucks and feel important with your self-given CEO title for a year or two, but then you will fade away, like hundreds of other sites that have done, before you, the same thing you are promoting. If you are lucky, you might end up working as an 'in-house consultant' for one of your now clients.
Before I go, I want to thank you, as a designer with dignity and self-respect, because you are cleaning up the pipes for the rest of us. We all know how annoying and pointless is to deal with broke, deadbeat, ignorant and ego-issues business owners who... let's put it this way..... belong to sites like yours.
- Continuity0
Here's my contribution to the comments:
Mr Prova,
It's clear to me the disrespect and contempt with which you hold the creative community at large, and professional creatives (art directors, copywriters and designers) in particular. Your business model is nothing more than the bog-standard spec work exploitation that has been floating round for years, and your attempt to frame it or spin it otherwise is disgraceful.
'Prova's unique angle teaches our designers the "science" behind effective advertising (call to action, USP, effects of graphic placement, ...), so client's don't get an ad that lacks the necessary research.'
This statement, in particular, shows me that you have no understanding of what it means to be a creative, or what an art director or designer brings to the table. In fact, it's patronising in the extreme, and downright insulting. By virtue of education or experience or both, there isn't a professional designer out there working for an agency who doesn't have an expert grasp of the reasons why they need to do things a certain way. They know they need to focus on results, and their work is a direct reflection of that.
I don't see that any professional designer - freelance or otherwise - has a single thing to learn from your 'agency', except to give it a wide berth, or else risk utter devaluation of their knowledge, experience, talent and experience. The postcard shown in the article is a perfect example why (as if they needed another one): photography that is beyond boring, predictable copywriting, lamentable typography and a layout that makes a mockery of the grid. It looks like an amateur did this in MS Word.
- fancy!!OSFA
- spicy!jaylarson
- well played sir.
*tips hatsofakingbanned